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Old 10-09-2020, 05:26 AM
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AntiPeter nailed it. Again.
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Old 10-09-2020, 05:51 AM
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https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...ovid19-vaccine

If the vaccines won’t protect the most vulnerable effectively, what good are they? Do you think people not at risk will take the vaccine and all the potential side effects out of the kindness of their hearts?
You have already determined that a vaccine will not proide any protection to the most vulnerable? You must be some kind of scientific genius then.
https://fee.org/articles/new-study-c...vid-19-spread/
If you are going to site articles in links, you should look more closely. In this article, there is a statement that the authors have retracted the study this article is based on. Also, the author in this article does not rail against wearing masks, just about wearing them oudoors.
The largest and most “scientific” study of face masks completed this summer in Denmark with over 6,000 subjects. The authors and researchers refuse to release the results. Why do you think that is the case?

Also, the lack of obesity in East Asia and previous immunity with other corona viruses don’t make those comparisons relevant. Do they?

Testing, contract tracing and masks have not worked in Germany. Their cases have more than doubled in the last 30 days.

By the way, Sweden was one of the few countries in the western world yesterday with no COVID deaths.

https://m.dw.com/en/germany-health-o...rol/a-55196856

Why do you feel it is proper to disrupt billions of lives and cause trillions upon trillions of economic damage for a virus with a iFR of 0.3% and the biggest risk factor is voluntary obesity?
You do realize don't you that the COVID virus can cause various lasting side effects (still being discovered) to the lungs and other organs in all ages of people that become infected. Stop micro focusing on just a death rate. Learn about the lasting damage to organs in the body that can occur from this strain of virus in any age group.
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Old 10-09-2020, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RhinoPherret View Post
You do realize don't you that the COVID virus can cause various lasting side effects (still being discovered) to the lungs and other organs in all ages of people that become infected. Stop micro focusing on just a death rate. Learn about the lasting damage to organs in the body that can occur from this strain of virus in any age group.
What is your solution to this problem?
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Old 10-09-2020, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ACEssXfer View Post
What is your solution to this problem?
Especially since this is an airborne virus and will make its way through the population eventually no matter what we do.
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Old 10-09-2020, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RhinoPherret View Post
You do realize don't you that the COVID virus can cause various lasting side effects (still being discovered) to the lungs and other organs in all ages of people that become infected. Stop micro focusing on just a death rate. Learn about the lasting damage to organs in the body that can occur from this strain of virus in any age group.
You do realize that there’s not been near enough data or time to prove this assertion don’t you? How can any effect be called long lasting when the virus hasn’t even been around a year? Long lasting or chronic effects go well beyond a year. Doctors will never know, for many patients, if issues were caused by Covid or just some underlying undiagnosed condition that was never noticed until someone got Covid.
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Old 10-09-2020, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt View Post
You do realize that there’s not been near enough data or time to prove this assertion don’t you? How can any effect be called long lasting when the virus hasn’t even been around a year? Long lasting or chronic effects go well beyond a year. Doctors will never know, for many patients, if issues were caused by Covid or just some underlying undiagnosed condition that was never noticed until someone got Covid.
The medical communithy has been documenting lasting after affects (pending chronic) specifically due to the virus to various organs of the body. Medical professionals have in fact made diagnosis of pending chronic conditions due to the specific level of damage inflicted on an organ caused by and/or initiated by the virus. They know the organ(s) can never recover fully and thus, a chronic condition is inevitable. There is nothinig new about this process of diagnosing a pending chronic condition. If the damage is severe enough, it is already a foregon conclusion based on presenting facts.

Care to bet your life that more chronic diagnosis's are not forthcoming in the year(s) ahead due to direct organ damage caused by and/or initiated by the virus?
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Originally Posted by RhinoPherret View Post
The medical communithy has been documenting lasting after affects (pending chronic) specifically due to the virus to various organs of the body. Medical professionals have in fact made diagnosis of pending chronic conditions due to the specific level of damage inflicted on an organ caused by and/or initiated by the virus. They know the organ(s) can never recover fully and thus, a chronic condition is inevitable. There is nothinig new about this process of diagnosing a pending chronic condition. If the damage is severe enough, it is already a foregon conclusion based on presenting facts.

Care to bet your life that more chronic diagnosis's are not forthcoming in the year(s) ahead due to direct organ damage caused by and/or initiated by the virus?
Again, what solution to you propose to this problem?

Second: What % of cases end in a chronic condition?
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What is your solution to this problem?
No solutiuon by me. Just trying to do my part to help mitigate (lesson the odds a bit) by playing by some simple guidelines that have been proven effective by the medical community long before this current virus pandemic came along and regardless of any personal biases and feelings I may have otherwise; wash my hands regularly, wear a mask, and keep some distance between me and others (especially crowds and confined areas when possible). Is that really such a burden that folks cannot abide by it? Small example, I have not parked my butt in a resturant or bar since March. Surprise! I don't miss it and l can wait longer as needed. Eating much healhier to boot.
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Originally Posted by RhinoPherret View Post
No solutiuon by me. Just trying to do my part to help mitigate (lesson the odds a bit) by playing by some simple guidelines that have been proven effective by the medical community long before this current virus pandemic came along and regardless of any personal biases and feelings I may have otherwise; wash my hands regularly, wear a mask, and keep some distance between me and others (especially crowds and confined areas when possible). Is that really such a burden that folks cannot abide by it? Small example, I have not parked my butt in a resturant or bar since March. Surprise! I don't miss it and l can wait longer as needed. Eating much healhier to boot.
Well, it is certainly a burden to those that work or own businesses in the restaurant/bar industry.
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Lasting side effects are rare. The reason for the lockdowns and restrictions was to ensure hospital capacity. Stop moving the goal posts to getting this country moving again.
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