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Old 01-17-2021, 06:40 AM
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I understand skepticism of something new.
My mother had skepticism of computers when I gave my parents one for Christmas, when they were 70 years old. “What would we ever do with it? We are too old to learn to use it. Computers are worthless pieces of junk. You are wasting your money.

The next Christmas they said they did not want to sound ungrateful. But they wanted to do more than what that computer could do. Let’s go shop for a more powerful computer.

Amazing how attitudes change. Nothing new under the sun.
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Old 01-17-2021, 06:50 AM
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It isn’t simply the hard core antivaxxers. Or even the technophobes. It’s the logistics and the bureaucracy as well.



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“This kind of thing is pretty rampant,” Jha said. “I have personally heard stories like this from dozens of physician friends in a variety of different states. Hundreds, if not thousands, of doses are getting tossed across the country every day. It’s unbelievable.”

Jha said the ER doctor whose story he laid out in a Twitter threadthis week asked to not be identified, but his story, seen by thousands of people, resonated with other medical professionals frustrated by rules and regulations that they say are making it harder to get more Americans vaccinated.

Why is this happening? Covid-19 vaccines have a short shelf life once they are thawed out for use, Jha said. And because of federal and state mandates, hospitals and other health care providers would rather risk a dose going bad than give it to somebody who isn't scheduled to get a shot.

At the same time, states like Massachusetts now have rules requiring hospitals to report the number of vaccine doses that have been discarded, Jha said.

“The problem is that hospitals that do report this get pilloried in the press for wasting vaccines,” Jha said. “So, many hospitals are not reporting and this is happening across the country.”

While there doesn’t appear to be any solid numbers yet of how many of the Covid-19 vaccines have been discarded in the United States since the rollout began last month, the World Health Organization warned in 2005 that up to 50 percent of the vaccines released globally each year end up in the dumpster because of supply chain problems, such as not having enough freezer space or transportation issues.

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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
It isn’t simply the hard core antivaxxers. Or even the technophobes. It’s the logistics and the bureaucracy as well.



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It doesn’t help that some politicians *cough Cuomo cough* are threatening million dollar fines for providing people shots that aren’t in a current group. What happens when people miss an appointment? If at the end of the day you have left over vaccine that will go bad, I don’t care if you have to pull people off the streets, use it!
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It doesn’t help that some politicians *cough Cuomo cough* are threatening million dollar fines for providing people shots that aren’t in a current group. What happens when people miss an appointment? If at the end of the day you have left over vaccine that will go bad, I don’t care if you have to pull people off the streets, use it!
They need to use an appointment system... priority tiers have priority to get an appointment

But any appointment not grabbed 24 hours in advance goes to the public, first come, first served. Adjust the window until you're no longer wasting vaccine.

How hard is that?
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Old 01-17-2021, 10:31 AM
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It is insane how shots aren't going into arms immediately upon delivery. States need to get their act together and start opening up who can get the vaccine, and spend some dollars advertising and educating the population on who is currently elegible and where to go to get their shot.
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Old 01-17-2021, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
They need to use an appointment system... priority tiers have priority to get an appointment

But any appointment not grabbed 24 hours in advance goes to the public, first come, first served. Adjust the window until you're no longer wasting vaccine.

How hard is that?
New York has a massive vaccine distribution infrastructure, Cuomo hasn't activated it yet, and plans not to. He's been using Covid as a personal political weapon from the beginning, and needs to be recalled.
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New York has a massive vaccine distribution infrastructure, Cuomo hasn't activated it yet, and plans not to. He's been using Covid as a personal political weapon from the beginning, and needs to be recalled.
I don’t like Cuomo, but to be fair they have started massive distribution in stadiums and convention centers. I got mine at the Javitts center and it was very easy. I just don’t think you enact draconian fines that force practitioners to throw away doses rather then use them. Their current system especially at the javits which is an on demand system where they only thaw the doses a couple minutes before use is working, and the NY appointment system was great. They even had airline style check in desks as you leave to schedule your second dose.

I was in and out in 25 minutes including a 15 minute observation period. Currently they are doing 150 an hour at this facility, but it looks like they could scale it to 500+ an hour. The national guard was running it, they were awesome and efficient.
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Old 01-17-2021, 12:18 PM
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They need to use an appointment system... priority tiers have priority to get an appointment

But any appointment not grabbed 24 hours in advance goes to the public, first come, first served. Adjust the window until you're no longer wasting vaccine.

How hard is that?
Apparently harder than most:

For Heather Suri, a registered nurse in Virginia, the race to vaccinate Americans against COVID-19 has thrown up some unprecedented obstacles.

The vaccines themselves are delicate and require a fair bit of focus over time. Consider Moderna’s instructions for preparing its doses: Select the number of shots that will be given. Thaw the vials for 2.5 hours in a refrigerator set between 36 and 46 degrees. Then rest them at room temperature for 15 minutes. Do not refreeze. Swirl gently between each withdrawal. Do not shake. Inspect each vial for particulate matter or discoloration. Store any unused vaccine in refrigeration.

And then there’s this: Once open, a vial is good for only six hours. As vaccines go, that’s not very long. Some flu vaccine keeps almost a month.

“This is very different, administering this vaccine. The process, it takes a whole lot longer than any mass vaccination event that I’ve been involved with,” said Suri, a member of the Loudoun Medical Reserve Corps who joined her first clinic Dec. 28, to vaccinate first responders.

Of the first two COVID-19 vaccines on the market, Moderna’s is considered more user-friendly. Pfizer-BioNTech’s shot must be stored in specialized freezers at 94 degrees below zero. Once out of deep freeze, it lasts just five days, compared with 30 days for Moderna’s.

One thing the shots have in common: They last a paltry six hours once the first dose is removed from a vial. That short shelf life raises the stakes for the largest vaccination effort in U.S. history by forcing clinicians to anticipate the exact number of doses they’ll need each day. If they don’t get it right, precious stores of vaccine may go to waste.

During one recent clinic over several hours, Suri estimated she gave “maybe 25” shots, many fewer than the number of flu shots she’s given during similar clinics over the years.

With COVID-19, she said, “the vaccine itself slows things down.”
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Old 01-17-2021, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
Especially with the Pfizer vaccine, you need to set up mass vaccination centers and bring people to the drug. It needs to be thawed on demand to reduce spoilage. Moderna can be administered at the community level, J & J though will be the death of Covid-19.
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No COVID vaccine is yet approved for anybody under 16 years old.

I don't understand why some people keep referring to these vaccines as "experimental" when they've undergone Stage 3 trials. They're being administered under an Emergency Use Authorization but that's not the same thing as them being experimental - that's the whole purpose of a trial.

At what point will a vaccine no longer be considered "experimental"?

The vaccine rollout is the trial. Too many unknowns.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...derations.html

https://vaers.hhs.gov/index.html

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