The anti-vaxxers...
03-22-2021, 10:55 AM
#511
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
It’s like hearing millennials saying I know I’m a millennial but... You can’t get away with that. As you put it, this is America he has the right to say what he wants. The other guy has a right to call him out too for the conspiracies he posts continually, it’s a forum, and about the virus.
I agree he has the right to call him out, but I think YOU can agree that he has the ability to be more constructive in his criticism, and that's what I'm trying to tell him.
At the end of the day, yes, this is America. I can be a 17 year old giving my two cents on how one guy destructivly critisizies another's opinion, or vice versa. First Ammendment. We have the right to say whatever we want...which includes everything I've told the guy, and everything you've told me.
Good day, sir. America first!
03-22-2021, 11:00 AM
#512
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Don't take my word for it. Follow your own link, look at the blog on the lower right of the page titled "The Hunt for a COVID Vaccine" and read their in-depth explanation of how covid vaccines were successfully developed, approved, and deployed in about 9 months.
It looks "successful" to me. As I keep repeating, again and again, vaccines don't remain in your body so any side effects show up within weeks. We're way past that. All the hysterical karens who keep complaining that it hasn't been long enough are standing at the station waiting for a train that left about a month ago.
Now I do agree that if someone is developing a vaccine for some niche bug that only affects a few people, or maybe isn't prevalent in the developed world and has limited market potential, that would take years. Covid was a special case.
It looks "successful" to me. As I keep repeating, again and again, vaccines don't remain in your body so any side effects show up within weeks. We're way past that. All the hysterical karens who keep complaining that it hasn't been long enough are standing at the station waiting for a train that left about a month ago.
Now I do agree that if someone is developing a vaccine for some niche bug that only affects a few people, or maybe isn't prevalent in the developed world and has limited market potential, that would take years. Covid was a special case.
The mRNA vaccine has DNA-altering "side effects" or whatever the word is. It attaches to your DNA and modifies it, so it will fight off the virus. Now, I don't know how much of this is true, but I've heard some virologists online say that it COULD (not will, but could) change other things in your DNA such as complexion, genetics, or whatever. Again, I'm not sure of how much of this is true, and I'm only 17 so I really could care less lol.
03-22-2021, 11:01 AM
#513
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Originally Posted by thatknifemaker
At the end of the day, yes, this is America. I can be a 17 year old giving my two cents on how one guy destructivly critisizies another's opinion, or vice versa. First Ammendment. We have the right to say whatever we want...
03-22-2021, 11:12 AM
#514
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Originally Posted by thatknifemaker
The mRNA vaccine has DNA-altering "side effects" or whatever the word is. It attaches to your DNA and modifies it, so it will fight off the virus. Now, I don't know how much of this is true, but I've heard some virologists online say that it COULD (not will, but could) change other things in your DNA such as complexion, genetics, or whatever. Again, I'm not sure of how much of this is true, and I'm only 17 so I really could care less lol.
https://apnews.com/article/9340521654
While there are other concerns with mRNA vaccines, such as the degree and length of protection and possible side effects, Stockwell said, modifying DNA is not one of them.
Dr. Dan Culver, a pulmonologist at Cleveland Clinic, agreed it’s not possible for an mRNA vaccine to alter your DNA
“This cannot change your genetic makeup,” he said. “The time that this RNA survives in the cells is relatively brief in the span of hours. What you are really doing is sticking a recipe card into the cell making protein for a few hours.”
Dr. Dan Culver, a pulmonologist at Cleveland Clinic, agreed it’s not possible for an mRNA vaccine to alter your DNA
“This cannot change your genetic makeup,” he said. “The time that this RNA survives in the cells is relatively brief in the span of hours. What you are really doing is sticking a recipe card into the cell making protein for a few hours.”
03-22-2021, 11:14 AM
#515
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Originally Posted by skywatch
I don't doubt specifically anything you say - but still curious why it had to be approved under an Emergency Authorization then, and why it is still only approved under an Emergency Authorization. If it is just as complete and just as good a process, why not approve everything this way? And I know it isn't just about the money.
03-22-2021, 11:21 AM
#516
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Originally Posted by thatknifemaker
The mRNA vaccine has DNA-altering "side effects" or whatever the word is. It attaches to your DNA and modifies it, so it will fight off the virus. Now, I don't know how much of this is true, but I've heard some virologists online say that it COULD (not will, but could) change other things in your DNA such as complexion, genetics, or whatever. Again, I'm not sure of how much of this is true, and I'm only 17 so I really could care less lol.
I *was* about to say you need to go back to college and retake biology 101, but seeing as you're 17 you just haven't taken the class yet.
The mRNA in the vaccines has nothing to do with DNA. It doesn't attach to it or interact with it in any way. DNA actually makes RNA, which then makes proteins needed by your biology. In the case of mRNA vaccines, the vaccine simply provides the RNA directly to your cell, which then makes the desired protein (a covid spike, to stimulate your immune response). RNA is basically a blueprint for a protein.
03-22-2021, 12:15 PM
#517
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
What are the qualifications and experience of the other two pilots in that four-person crew?
03-22-2021, 12:28 PM
#518
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The mRNA in the vaccines has nothing to do with DNA. It doesn't attach to it or interact with it in any way. DNA actually makes RNA, which then makes proteins needed by your biology. In the case of mRNA vaccines, the vaccine simply provides the RNA directly to your cell, which then makes the desired protein (a covid spike, to stimulate your immune response). RNA is basically a blueprint for a protein.
I would rather stake my life and health in billions of years of evolution - life and viruses coexisting. as for Pharma - you do you.
And yes, vaccine will be forced if and only if foreign governments mandate it for flight crew. I am hanging my hat on the fact that this is kabuki, and they may choose to give flight crews an exemption. Didn't you know, 'rona didn't clear CASS, so is not permitted on the flight deck?
03-22-2021, 12:42 PM
#519
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
At this point it's basically bureaucratic CYA, additional data analysis. If anything was wrong with the first two EUA vaccines, we'd have heard about it from the MSM by now... they get on their knees and pray for a vaccine malfunction before they go to bed at night. Now that Trump is gone, they need some bleeding headlines, bad.
Second, MSM has spent considerable energy pimping the "get vaccinated" message and no one, them included, wants to look wrong. We are all in this "get vaccinated" boat now. Reminds me of the TSA - not going away any time soon, even if we all know it is mostly theater.
03-22-2021, 12:49 PM
#520
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Originally Posted by spirited
I admire your faith in the hubris of the medical community. That entire topic is so vast and complex, and we I know so very little, what we I don't know could fill the library of congress.
Originally Posted by spirited
I would rather stake my life and health in billions of years of evolution - life and viruses coexisting. as for Pharma - you do you.
The intelligence to receive a vaccine is an inherited trait. Those who refuse and subsequently perish are very much following evolutionary patterns. Spirited, thanks for keeping the gene pool moving forward.
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