rickair7777

There are no long-term side-effects from vaccines, if you knew anything at all about the science any effects (good or bad) from a vaccine show up within about six weeks. That's just how the body works. If you're arguing THAT fact, there's no point in further discussion. Other pharma, that you take chronically, is different so don't confuse the two.

I've got my shot scheduled (mRNA) just to get it over with and because I know the risk of having FAA paperwork issues when I eventually get covid is higher than any hypothetical risk from the vaccine. That is your choice either way, but don't expect the rest of the world to bend over to accomdate your personal choice.

I don't shame anyone for their choice, and I've said repeatedly governments should not mandate vaccinations. But I will shame you if you show up here spewing total garbage nonsense about the science involved. Take it to FB, where all the Karens with AA degrees will cheer you on.

Don't want a vaccine? then don't get it, but no need to make up fantasy-fiction to somehow show how much smarter and better informed you are, in spite of all the well-established facts on the issue.

And yes I think covid was over-hyped and politicized, and that's still happening. But that doesn't change the fact that vaccines are the catalyst to return to something resembling normalcy (and long-term employment for us after subsidies run out). If you don't want a vaccine, better just zip it instead of trying to amplify hype and fear against the very thing that's best for YOUR career and continued employment.

kaputt

You’re right, you do have the option to play wait and see with the vaccine, and that is totally your right and choice.

But spouting BS that has no factual basis makes you no better than a “COVID is the end of the world, lock down forever, masks will save us” person.

The vaccine is not “killing people”. For god sakes the number of people that have died in the US after getting a Covid vaccine is around 1,000 (last time I checked), with literally none of those yet to be linked to a COVID shot; that is until this one single J&J vax recipient did die of blood clot complications that are yet to be determined are even related to the vaccine (and a pause has been put in place on that specific shot). Also the rest of the deaths start to statistically make sense based on the massive amount of elderly and at risk that were prioritized for a vaccine. It’s not remotely out of the question that a few thousand of them might pass away within a short span of getting a vaccine simply from old age or their underlying health condition.

The irony of your post is that you would most certainly be against the “if it just saves one life” COVID Doomer crowd, but yet the statistical fallacies that you base your arguments against the vaccines on are literally no different.

Again, you certainly should not be forced to get this vaccine if you don’t want to, and whatever reasons you have for that view are yours and yours alone. But don’t claim them as absolute fact when they most certainly are not.

Phins2right

For current approved vaccines you are correct. For this science project experimental drug - no. We don't know yet Rick. My wife is a frontline MD. She says don't take it. Especially to young women in child bearing years.

Your statement is patently false about adverse affects of vaccines only occurring within 6 weeks. To not get too far into the HIPPA stuff, I and several thousand others, are suffering from lingering affects from a series of vaccines the DoD made us take when we were in the service back in the late 90's. There's also a lot of fallout from a botulinum toxoid vaccine many of us got in the first Gulf War. My condition(s) stem directly from the anthrax vaccine not the botulinum and did not present until my late 40's. I got the anthrax shots when I was in my mid 30's.

What science Rick? What science on this experimental drug am I missing? It is not an approved vaccine as you refer to. It is an experimental emergency authorized use of an experimental drug. Go read the FDA stuff. Yes, people are dying from it - right now. You know this to be true. My contrarian point is why are we taking chances with and experimental drug for a bug that most of us stand a 99.98% chance of surviving IF we catch it?

Not made up fantasy Rick. Go check out America's Frontline Doctors. Check out their YT and their posts. Go check out what the former VP at Pfizer says about the mRNA experimental drug. It's not me Rick, there are thousands of professionals out there that are saying to think about it first before putting it in your body.

What well established facts Rick? Fauchi first said getting the vaccine you'd be good to go. Now he says you need to take it probably every 6 months. So what changed Rick? What exactly are established facts? Nothing. The goal posts move every day on the facts. That is the only fact about this event you can bank on.

Funny no one mentions that in order to have an drug issued under emergency authority for use, there can not be ANY other forms of treatment. So why did the US Gov stomp on HCQ and Ivermectin? 2 proven therapies for this cold bug? At least now they have backtracked on given they have the emergency use permission.

I don't do FB. I try to represent another contrarian view on here since most seem to be hurtling toward the cliff. Having you tell me to take it somewhere else, is kind of a form of censorship don't you think. You may personally disagree, fine. However there is relevant existing information that counters the use of this experimental drug versus this particular form of virus. Go look it up on some other places other than the usual propaganda outlets. I've got some places if you want to research.

I pray that those of you who took this experimental drug don't see side effects down the road. I really do.

I was hoping you would answer and engage with my points instead of calling me a crazed wacko and dismissing me totally. I thought you were better than that.

Finally, I would say that the one thing we haven't tried yet is for the news to knock off their 24/7 hammering of this cold bug for 2 weeks. I guarantee you this thing would disappear out of the collective. Hasn't happened yet has it. Why?

kaputt

You can keep saying this over and over but it’s frankly a lie.

There is one death that is of suspicion of being because of a specific vaccine, and that investigation is on-going. That vaccine is also paused while that investigation happens.

Phins2right

Have you even bothered to open up VAERS database and take a look? If you have, you would know your statement is patently false. Heck CNN even mentioned deaths from the experimental drug on 28 of March.

Also, why are they going to suspend use of the J&J vaccine here in the US? Maybe because people are dying from it? Getting blood clots. But hey, yeah. I'm lying about it.

kaputt

I’ve already researched the VAERS database. The VAERS database does not specify that someone died of a vaccine, it’s only that they died within a certain amount of time of receiving the vaccine. Not a single one of those deaths has been proven to be from a vaccine, and in fact some of them have come out as having been deaths potentially related to car accidents.

"To date, VAERS has not detected patterns in cause of death that would indicate a safety problem with COVID-19 vaccines." - CDC.

https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vacci...6-died-1574447

Also literally 6 people out of 7 million have potentially had an issue with the J&J vaccine. That is not “people dying”. Maybe one single person has died and that hasn’t even been proven yet. You do realize that people have died of other vaccines as well, even ones with full approval? The flu vaccine can cause anaphylaxis or Giullain-Barre syndrome. That’s why they ask if you have an egg allergy before getting a flu shot.

You’re certainly welcome to have your thoughts and I don’t believe you should be forced to take the vaccine if you don’t want to. But you’re honestly spreading misinformation.

chucknorris

1 person died of a blood clot, out of 7 million doses administered.

All the j and j blood clot issues have involved women, and they have a 1/250,000 chance of developing a blood clot over placebo. 1/5000 women develops a blood clot from birth control, but I don’t see you demanding birth control be banned.

Phins2right

Nice parsing of the facts. They are playing the same game. It's the same thing we had, for example, when a 20 year old kid died form getting decapitated in a motorcycle accident here in Miami, yet his death was attributed and counted as a CV-19 death because his corpse tested positive.

Now go look up EudraVigilence. Yes, people are dying from the vaccines.

What about the J&J vax?

Phins2right

Why did they suspend the use?

Would that person have otherwise died from the china flu?

chucknorris

Because the average American reads a head line and sees 8 people with blood clots and panics, without any regard for the denominator. Considering it’s a new drug, it’s out of an abundance of caution, IMO too much caution.