ALPA email about vaccine
12-12-2020, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ToddChavez
Let me preface, as a healthy male in his late 30s, I have no plan or desire to take a vaccine that causes horrid side effects, all for a pandemic that will naturally end on its own. I do not need lifetime immunity to this.
So it really irks me that ALPA is a bunch of eager beavers to get this approved for us. We have no idea of long term effects of the vaccine. We already know most who take it are sicker than if they caught the actual virus. Multiple participants had 101+ degree fevers with other severe symptoms.
It makes me wonder what their position will be when they decide a year from now to make it mandatory for flight crews.
So it really irks me that ALPA is a bunch of eager beavers to get this approved for us. We have no idea of long term effects of the vaccine. We already know most who take it are sicker than if they caught the actual virus. Multiple participants had 101+ degree fevers with other severe symptoms.
It makes me wonder what their position will be when they decide a year from now to make it mandatory for flight crews.
Man this post has me in a flashback to the Anthrax shot of the late ‘90s. The government forcing a shot of dubious efficacy onto military members. It was a shiite show from beginning to end and ruined a lot of careers (both professionally and medically). Hopefully this round goes smoother....
12-12-2020, 01:48 PM
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Four People Given the New COVID Vaccine in Clinical Trials Developed Bell’s Palsy
https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/covid-vaccine-bells-palsyAustralia Drops Promising Covid-19 Vaccine After Volunteers Falsely Tested Positive For HIV
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2020/12/11/australia-drops-promising-covid-19-vaccine-after-volunteers-falsely-tested-positive-for-hiv/
If you take a vaccine for a disease this mild that was developed this quickly and you don't have serious risk factors you either can't do risk assessment or have a sub room temp IQ
12-12-2020, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
Four People Given the New COVID Vaccine in Clinical Trials Developed Bell’s Palsy
https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/covid-vaccine-bells-palsyAustralia Drops Promising Covid-19 Vaccine After Volunteers Falsely Tested Positive For HIV
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth...itive-for-hiv/
If you take a vaccine for a disease this mild that was developed this quickly and you don't have serious risk factors you either can't do risk assessment or have a sub room temp IQ
"Bell's palsy is time-limited and patients generally recover quickly—in a matter of weeks," Dr. Hinman says. "On the spectrum of neurologic disease, it is generally not serious, although severe cases can cause permanent facial paralysis."
"I cannot make a direct connection with the vaccine and suspect this is a coincidence," Dr. Hinman says. "The normal incidence of Bell's palsy is roughly 20 people out of 100,000."
Also, imo, it's not that important for Australia to have a vaccine. Their government, unlike ours, very effectively contained covid. At this point, the only hope for our country is the vaccine.
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12-12-2020, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
Four People Given the New COVID Vaccine in Clinical Trials Developed Bell’s Palsy
https://www.health.com/condition/inf...ne-bells-palsy=12pt
None has been established. "I cannot make a direct connection with the vaccine and suspect this is a coincidence," Dr. Hinman says. "The normal incidence of Bell's palsy is roughly 20 people out of 100,000. The Pfizer study examined 38,000 patients, so four cases would be within the normal observed incidence of Bell's palsy."
12-12-2020, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
Imagine not reading your own link:
None has been established. "I cannot make a direct connection with the vaccine and suspect this is a coincidence," Dr. Hinman says. "The normal incidence of Bell's palsy is roughly 20 people out of 100,000. The Pfizer study examined 38,000 patients, so four cases would be within the normal observed incidence of Bell's palsy."
None has been established. "I cannot make a direct connection with the vaccine and suspect this is a coincidence," Dr. Hinman says. "The normal incidence of Bell's palsy is roughly 20 people out of 100,000. The Pfizer study examined 38,000 patients, so four cases would be within the normal observed incidence of Bell's palsy."
20 people out of 100,000 in what, a lifetime? How about the rate of 100,000 in the time the study took? I bet it's more like 0. Use your critical thinking instead of listening to some doctor who has vested interest in the success of a study.
12-12-2020, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Escargot
I'm no expert, but I think that running a fever would be considered a positive biological response. Which, as I understand it, is the whole point of a vaccine. (Besides mind control robots, of course.)
12-12-2020, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
20 people out of 100,000 in what, a lifetime? How about the rate of 100,000 in the time the study took? I bet it's more like 0. Use your critical thinking instead of listening to some doctor who has vested interest in the success of a study.
Something of concern with the vaccine could show up as time goes on....this isn't it.
12-12-2020, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordie H
You referenced the article...lol. The Dr. is saying 20 out of 100,000 regardless of the vaccine would get Bells...so he's saying 4 out of 38K in the study is about what would be expected. The title of the article is clickbait (and irresponsible if us ask me).
Something of concern with the vaccine could show up as time goes on....this isn't it.
Something of concern with the vaccine could show up as time goes on....this isn't it.
So you explain to me the math: 20 of 100,000 is expected to get bells palsy in their LIFETIME. 4 out of 38,000 got it in the course of a study. You don't have to be a doctor to realize that is statistically significant. Sorry if you can't grasp that.
12-12-2020, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
No, it's not what would be expected. That article is trying to debunk it. You can find different takes on it. I'm not endorsing the article I'm just pointing out what happened.
So you explain to me the math: 20 of 100,000 is expected to get bells palsy in their LIFETIME. 4 out of 38,000 got it in the course of a study. You don't have to be a doctor to realize that is statistically significant. Sorry if you can't grasp that.
So you explain to me the math: 20 of 100,000 is expected to get bells palsy in their LIFETIME. 4 out of 38,000 got it in the course of a study. You don't have to be a doctor to realize that is statistically significant. Sorry if you can't grasp that.
12-12-2020, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
No, it's not what would be expected. That article is trying to debunk it. You can find different takes on it. I'm not endorsing the article I'm just pointing out what happened.
So you explain to me the math: 20 of 100,000 is expected to get bells palsy in their LIFETIME. 4 out of 38,000 got it in the course of a study. You don't have to be a doctor to realize that is statistically significant. Sorry if you can't grasp that.
So you explain to me the math: 20 of 100,000 is expected to get bells palsy in their LIFETIME. 4 out of 38,000 got it in the course of a study. You don't have to be a doctor to realize that is statistically significant. Sorry if you can't grasp that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell...15%20and%2060.
as you say, “sorry if you can’t grasp that.”
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