ToddChavez

Let me preface, as a healthy male in his late 30s, I have no plan or desire to take a vaccine that causes horrid side effects, all for a pandemic that will naturally end on its own. I do not need lifetime immunity to this.

So it really irks me that ALPA is a bunch of eager beavers to get this approved for us. We have no idea of long term effects of the vaccine. We already know most who take it are sicker than if they caught the actual virus. Multiple participants had 101+ degree fevers with other severe symptoms.

It makes me wonder what their position will be when they decide a year from now to make it mandatory for flight crews.

EhV8R

It's one thing for you to not want to get it, but please stop regurgitating misinformation that you get from who knows where, or worse make up as you go.

Pfizer phase 3 study - shows "no serious safety concerns observed; the only Grade 3 adverse event greater than 2% in frequency was fatigue at 3.8% and headache at 2.0%".

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-re...vid-19-vaccine

Moderna study by the New England Journal of Medicine - shows "No serious adverse events were noted, and no prespecified trial halting rules were met." and "Local adverse events, when present, were nearly all mild or moderate, and pain at the injection site was common. Across both vaccinations, solicited systemic and local adverse events that occurred in more than half the participants included fatigue, chills, headache, myalgia, and pain at the injection site. Evaluation of safety clinical laboratory values of grade 2 or higher and unsolicited adverse events revealed no patterns of concern"
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...=featured_home

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usmc-sgt

Horrid side effects? Your post reads like a CNN headline. The risks and side effects of the vaccine that presented during the (extensive) trial were small to nil.

You will certainly have the option to never take it, and are welcome to do so. As the only current and viable hope for our industry, I will be counting the hours till I can take it. I will choose to lead by example on this one and will be pleased to tell anyone who will listen that I had the vaccine and it was no worse than the flu shot. My hope is it will encourage others to do the same.

Al Czervik

rickair7777

There's a reason ALPA is working this issue.

The "They" you refer to will not be the USG, and may not even be your airline.

"They" will be the governments in Asia, Europe, Canada and presumably others which are going to mandate vaccination for inbound aliens. ALPA knows (as does the FAA) that we'll need to be prepared to comply before that kicks in.

Very few airlines are purely lower-48 domestic only.

tlove482

The part about the fever is correct. Something around 80% had some side effects with 4.6 being severe.

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firefighterplt

It’s an adjective to describe the intensity of the observed side effects, NOT stating that the side effects themselves were severe (ex: respiratory distress, anaphylaxis, etc).

These ‘severe’ side effects resolved within 48 hours.

They cited fatigue, injection site soreness, etc.

EhV8R

I still don't know where you are getting your information. Worst I found when re-reading both phase 3 results was Pfizer with "Fever (temperature, ≥38°C) was reported after the second dose by 16% of younger vaccine recipients and by 11% of older recipients. Only 0.2% of vaccine recipients and 0.1% of placebo recipients reported fever (temperature, 38.9 to 40°C) after the first dose, as compared with 0.8% and 0.1%, respectively, after the second dose."

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

1 in 6 with mild fever of 102° isn't even close to your claimed 80%. And 0.8% with a fever of of 102-104°, 104° being the cutoff where it becomes typically recognized as dangerous.

A fever means it's WORKING, your body is producing an immune response which can include a rise in body temperature.

If people are going to site percentages and numbers when making arguments, it would be nice if you could cite sources so people can make informed decisions, not hearsay and Facebook nonsense.

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CBreezy

A side effect would be classified as soreness at the site of injection. That's something that is very common with things like the flu shot.

Escargot

I'm no expert, but I think that running a fever would be considered a positive biological response. Which, as I understand it, is the whole point of a vaccine. (Besides mind control robots, of course.)