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Old 12-20-2021 | 02:56 PM
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Lots of dead people thought exactly like you did.
The inconvenient truth for you, that you cannot wrap your mind around, is that many many more people that are alive and fine did too.
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Old 12-21-2021 | 03:47 PM
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The fact that you have the opportunity to be triple vaccinated, giving you an almost certain chance staying out of the hospital, is a miracle of science.

A year ago we had nothing, and yet you all were still clammorring for a return to normal, damn the fatalities.

So I'd say the discussion topic has improved substantially. Your attitudes have not.
The fact that the overwhelming majority of us will stay out of the hospital without the vaccine is lost on people like you. You come on here screeching about all the dead people from Covid. Please tell me again, what is the survival rate from Covid for most of us? Last time I checked it was north of 99.8 percent. Now, I will grant you, if I go to the hospital with Covid I will have a good chance of getting renal failure and dying. That has nothing to do with Covid and everything to do with our treatment protocols and non existent early treatment. You need to turn off your TV sir. It is rotting your brain.
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Old 12-21-2021 | 04:22 PM
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Now, I will grant you, if I go to the hospital with Covid I will have a good chance of getting renal failure and dying. That has nothing to do with Covid and everything to do with our treatment protocols and non existent early treatment.
This is the latest horror to come out of the anti-vax camp. There's been growing propaganda and dissatisfaction from the idiots of our nation that they somehow know better than doctors on how to treat COVID. That watching YouTube videos has informed them better than the experts in the hospital who are overburdened try to save their loved one's life.

They will scream. They will curse. They will berate the professionals who are working diligently to save lives, because they didn't inject them with 10,000mg of Vitamin C. Or horse de-wormer. Or whatever you read on Newsmax that day.

Shameful. If you feel you won't get fair treatment when you're suffering from severe COVID, do everyone a favor and stay home.
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Old 12-21-2021 | 04:31 PM
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This is the latest horror to come out of the anti-vax camp. There's been growing propaganda and dissatisfaction from the idiots of our nation that they somehow know better than doctors on how to treat COVID. That watching YouTube videos has informed them better than the experts in the hospital who are overburdened try to save their loved one's life.

They will scream. They will curse. They will berate the professionals who are working diligently to save lives, because they didn't inject them with 10,000mg of Vitamin C. Or horse de-wormer. Or whatever you read on Newsmax that day.

Shameful. If you feel you won't get fair treatment when you're suffering from severe COVID, do everyone a favor and stay home.
99.8% survival rate sir. No reply to that I guess. As far as renal failure goes, please educate yourself on remdesivir. It was used in the ebola crisis in Africa and was first to be pulled from trials because it was deadly. I don't watch Youtube for my information, let alone Newsmax. They are compromised by pharma ad. dollars. I appreciate your passion on the issue but your disdain for a very large chunk of the country is very off putting. It is not possible for you to influence anyone on your current tack.
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Old 12-21-2021 | 06:11 PM
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99.8% survival rate sir. No reply to that I guess. As far as renal failure goes, please educate yourself on remdesivir. It was used in the ebola crisis in Africa and was first to be pulled from trials because it was deadly. I don't watch Youtube for my information, let alone Newsmax. They are compromised by pharma ad. dollars. I appreciate your passion on the issue but your disdain for a very large chunk of the country is very off putting. It is not possible for you to influence anyone on your current tack.
99.8% survival rate? No, that assumes everyone gets COVID.

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checkin...s-not-over-99/
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Old 12-21-2021 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 400000Dead
This is the latest horror to come out of the anti-vax camp. There's been growing propaganda and dissatisfaction from the idiots of our nation that they somehow know better than doctors on how to treat COVID. That watching YouTube videos has informed them better than the experts in the hospital who are overburdened try to save their loved one's life.

They will scream. They will curse. They will berate the professionals who are working diligently to save lives, because they didn't inject them with 10,000mg of Vitamin C. Or horse de-wormer. Or whatever you read on Newsmax that day.

Shameful. If you feel you won't get fair treatment when you're suffering from severe COVID, do everyone a favor and stay home.
So what is the treatment for Covid that keeps you out of the hospital?

there is none for most of us according to today’s medical protocols. You just wait until you are sick enough to go to the hospital, rather than try proven, safe drugs like ivermectin?

thank god there are lots of doctors that do prescribe and treat patients with drugs like that before they need hospitalization.
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Old 12-21-2021 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nordhavn
99.8% survival rate sir. No reply to that I guess. As far as renal failure goes, please educate yourself on remdesivir. It was used in the ebola crisis in Africa and was first to be pulled from trials because it was deadly. I don't watch Youtube for my information, let alone Newsmax. They are compromised by pharma ad. dollars. I appreciate your passion on the issue but your disdain for a very large chunk of the country is very off putting. It is not possible for you to influence anyone on your current tack.
I'm no covidian, by any means.

But consider the outlook of the general public... 99%, or even 99.9% survival for a DISCRETE EVENT is not that great. Have to assume that EVERYBODY will get covid, and sooner not later (omicron severity may be lower).

Would you be good with a 99% chance of not having a fatal crash on every leg you fly? Would you operate that leg, or call out fatigued? How about going for a motorcycle ride? Even the isle of Man TT isn't that dangerous.

How about 99.9%?

Neither 99% or 99.9% are great odds for something that everyone pretty much will get. Different people calculate their own odds differently, being fit, healthy, and not very old I wasn't worried... but a lot of the population (majority I'm sure) are not very fit AND healthy AND young.

I have friends who flew space shuttles, similar fatality rate... great gig but their pucker factor was waaaaay up there on game day.
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Old 12-21-2021 | 07:42 PM
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Until you get very sick with Covid, you are on your own as far as treatment goes.
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Old 12-21-2021 | 08:19 PM
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BEFORE Covid, the death rate in long term care facilities was 35% per year. Median survival was 2.2 years. Elderly people with serious medical conditions can and do die from simple colds and certainly from community acquired pneumonia’s. And 6.5 million Americans are 85 years and older. Nobody is going to live forever. WHO IS DYING and AT WHAT TIME IN THEIR LIFE makes a difference.

It isn’t just the numbers!

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Old 12-22-2021 | 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I'm no covidian, by any means.

But consider the outlook of the general public... 99%, or even 99.9% survival for a DISCRETE EVENT is not that great. Have to assume that EVERYBODY will get covid, and sooner not later (omicron severity may be lower).

Would you be good with a 99% chance of not having a fatal crash on every leg you fly? Would you operate that leg, or call out fatigued? How about going for a motorcycle ride? Even the isle of Man TT isn't that dangerous.

How about 99.9%?

Neither 99% or 99.9% are great odds for something that everyone pretty much will get. Different people calculate their own odds differently, being fit, healthy, and not very old I wasn't worried... but a lot of the population (majority I'm sure) are not very fit AND healthy AND young.

I have friends who flew space shuttles, similar fatality rate... great gig but their pucker factor was waaaaay up there on game day.
Rick, do you drive in cars?

“According to the National Safety Council (NSC), an American’s lifetime odds of dying in a car crash are 1 in 107as of 2019”

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-inju.../data-details/
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