Unless Congress gets really stoopid?

That group of people has been relentlessly STOOPID for a long bloody time. What on EARTH makes you think this situation will be any different?

 

Gallup Congressional approval ratings:



Their approval rating is only marginally higher than most STDs.

 

No

Go read the NDAA.

No back charges. Honorable discharge and access to all vet benefits.

Why do you still continue to maintain your false position? Go read the damn thing. It ain't that hard.

 

I have read it. But you can quote it, if repayments aren’t required.

Hint: it’s not in Sec 716, where it would be. Keep making up stuff.

 

It's not in 716 you moron.

You didn't read it did you?

The Democrats added it to the final NDAA BTW

1)Honarable

2)Full vet benefits

3)No paybacks

Stop making a fool of yourself.

If what you say is true, post it here. Cut and paste from the relevant section and post it here. I'd like to see it. Because I've been over the NDAA since 8 months ago to now and that thing to which you speak is not in the version that passed on Wednesday.

there might be some other existing contractual payback in place for a voluntary separation (see the ACP for example) but NOTHING in the NDAA passed on Wednesday is mandating troops payback as a result of being separated for not taking the jab. That is and has always been my point that you seem to not understand.

 

Yes, nothing is in the NDAA saying service members have to payback their commitment. I never said there was. What I said is there is no language in there preventing the services from a requirement to do so.

You and I agree on most things politically, but people not having to fulfill their obligation as a result of disobeying a direct order is not one of them.

 

1. An unwise order.
2. An unwise quick fix hastily inserted in must-pass legislation.

There ain’t no heroes here.

Once a stupid order is given it MUST be enforced* - but you can’t avoid having to deal with the consequences of it BEING a stupid order.

*See, “Light Brigade, Charge of…”

 

I seriously doubt the services will let them keep bonuses, not a chance, and congress is not likely to give them that either.

I also doubt that congress will prevent them from having to repay things like officer scholarship commitments.

Scholarships and bonuses are very clear math... you get X money, you serve Y time and it might be dangerous.


I kind of doubt anyone will make them repay less-quantifiable obligations like flight school.

 

Well, the REAL money is in UPT. Scholarships don’t cost much. But even the scholarships and bonuses - it depends upon the original contract. The military is forcing these people out under honorable conditions. They are not voluntarily separating.

This is already a fuster cluck. Getting the JAG involved can very likely just make it worse. These were all issues that should have been considered from the get-go, not when those giving the orders were in denial about possible consequences and not at the last minute when an amendment was being tacked on to must-pass legislation. Not to mention what happens when the current congressional minority party comes back into the majority.

That being the case, I’m not at all sure the most rational rules are going to apply. They sure haven’t so far. We have had - what?- about 75 COVID active duty deaths in the military in the last two years? Everyone is clearly a tragedy for them and their family, but we lose a h€|| of a lot more to other diseases, to suicides, to accidents. We lose more than 35 a year in field exercises.




I think the original order was ill advised.

 

I don't.

The mil would be crippled for routine operations and training if they had to go full lockdown and quarantine every time covid got loose on a ship, barracks, field exercise, etc.

The mil itself could gut through it, but politically and bureaucratically they CANNOT infect a bunch of mil and then let them loose to expose civilian family, GS, contractors, etc. The problem isn't the mil itself, it's keeping it away from demographics who DO have at risk people.

I think the majority of mil covid deaths were older reservists.