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Old 12-13-2021 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Yeah, but who’s left that doesn’t require vaccination for new hires?
Sorry, I should've clarified. I meant IRT the title, aka boosters. I know the above stats were for the vaccine, but I was thinking, and poorly stated that if they go the same route with boosters folks could get out, but may still have the -19 card to get hired.
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Old 12-13-2021 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Beech Dude
Sorry, I should've clarified. I meant IRT the title, aka boosters. I know the above stats were for the vaccine, but I was thinking, and poorly stated that if they go the same route with boosters folks could get out, but may still have the -19 card to get hired.
Ah, gotcha.
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Old 12-13-2021 | 07:14 PM
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I saw a short blurb today on the Washington Post that 27 Air Force members were booted for no jab. No mention of what type of discharge they got.
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Old 12-13-2021 | 08:26 PM
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I saw a short blurb today on the Washington Post that 27 Air Force members were booted for no jab. No mention of what type of discharge they got.
They were junior, first term members and thus not entitled to all of to all of the due process which members with more longevity get. They'll have to jump through more hoops to evict the senior folks. And they'd better, now that they've done it to the junior members.
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Old 12-13-2021 | 08:50 PM
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They were junior, first term members and thus not entitled to all of to all of the due process which members with more longevity get. They'll have to jump through more hoops to evict the senior folks. And they'd better, now that they've done it to the junior members.
Well, the recently passed NDAA apparently has a provision in it requiring COVID immunization refusal related discharges to be characterized as either general under honorable conditions or honorable. My actual worst case scenario would be for the services to go through all the angst this is bound to cause and then have a change of Congressional majority lead to a must-pass bill being amended to require restoration of COVID discharged personnel with records purged of administrative or court martial action and retirement and longevity credit restored for the time they were involuntarily beached.

I have actually seen Politicians do stupider things.
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Old 12-13-2021 | 09:03 PM
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I'm not going back if they pull that. That just means the next time the congressional majority changes, it will be "vax or prison"

Nope. Heavy handed policy gutted my reserve unit. Active side CO called me in a near panic. They were counting on me and another novaxer to get underway next month.

We both retired 1 DEC.

They have no qualified guys on the active side that aren't already deployed.

Sounds a lot like FUBIJAR.

Except the R standing for reservist now means retiree.

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Old 12-14-2021 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Well, the recently passed NDAA apparently has a provision in it requiring COVID immunization refusal related discharges to be characterized as either general under honorable conditions or honorable. My actual worst case scenario would be for the services to go through all the angst this is bound to cause and then have a change of Congressional majority lead to a must-pass bill being amended to require restoration of COVID discharged personnel with records purged of administrative or court martial action and retirement and longevity credit restored for the time they were involuntarily beached.
I could see that happening, would play well with the deep base.
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Old 12-14-2021 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
I'm not going back if they pull that. That just means the next time the congressional majority changes, it will be "vax or prison"

Nope. Heavy handed policy gutted my reserve unit. Active side CO called me in a near panic. They were counting on me and another novaxer to get underway next month.

We both retired 1 DEC.

They have no qualified guys on the active side that aren't already deployed.

Sounds a lot like FUBIJAR.

Except the R standing for reservist now means retiree.
If I didn't say it, sorry for the circumstances but congrats.

I would have run it up the chain had I been anywhere near that situation, CNRFC actual is a SELRES right now so hopefully that would provide a check and balance on the FTS. Nothing the FTS does would surprise me though, they view us as Ho's and themselves as pimps.
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Old 12-14-2021 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They were junior, first term members and thus not entitled to all of to all of the due process which members with more longevity get. They'll have to jump through more hoops to evict the senior folks. And they'd better, now that they've done it to the junior members.
The 27 received Honorable and General Discharges under honorable conditions. It'll be interesting to see what happens to the senior folks. And what about military pilots who still have an active duty obligation for pilot training? Could they refuse the shot, get booted and then get an early start on their airline career?
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Old 12-14-2021 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
The 27 received Honorable and General Discharges under honorable conditions. It'll be interesting to see what happens to the senior folks. And what about military pilots who still have an active duty obligation for pilot training? Could they refuse the shot, get booted and then get an early start on their airline career?

While that could happen, it probably won’t and shouldn’t without having to pay back their obligation or something similar. That would be a horrible precedent to set.
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