Ivermectin Not Effective
04-02-2022, 07:18 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by skywatch
I have a reading comprehension problem?
Originally Posted by skywatch
You literally reprinted these words - “NIH has also determined that there are currently insufficient data…”
The CDC document makes a statement about the NIH.
You stated that the NIH should use stronger language. The NIH didn't create or necessarily use that language. The CDC did. It's in a CDC document. Follow the link. Read it for yourself. Look at the source.
You're being obtuse, or you really don't understand this?
If CDC makes a statement, one can't say that the language of the NIH is weak...because NIH didn't make that statement. CDC made that statement about NIH. Was CDC quoting, paraphrasing, or something else? We don't know: the statement is ABOUTt the NIH, but not FROM the NIH. Perhaps NIH said it differently. Perhaps NIH has their own document. Perhaps NIH has a different focus. It really doesn't matter, because the words I quoted, and cited, and linked, are on a CDC document. Not an NIH document. Those are words penned by someone at the CDC in forming that document. One cannot make any particular observation about the strength of the wording from the NIH, as those words were NOT FROM THE NIH. It's on a linked CDC document.
That said, while CDC, NIH, et al, might use all manner of superlatives or adjectives or fire and brimstone speech to create a condemnation that might meet your standard, the statement in the CDC document is quite clear, unmistakeable, and in plan English. If you're unable to understand what is said, making the statement stronger won't increase your understanding. If you won't follow the guidance, making it stronger won't make it any more true, or force you to accept the information given.
Deny, dismiss, diminish. Chase conspiracy theories and wild home remedies. It won't change the science, nor will it change the language provided by the CDC (not NIH). If you want stronger language, perhaps rather than attempting to dictate what others should say, you can get a job there and say it for them, with the authority to do so. For now, the authority to do so rests with the person who made the document and did say it, and you can take it up with them. Should you intend to do so, you'll find them not at NIH, but at the CDC.
If Sally tells you that Dr. Tommy says don't eat dirt, and you assert that. Dr. Tommy should use stronger language to help you understand why you shouldn't be eating dirt, you first need to understand that you're talking to Sally. Sally told you what Dr. Tommy said. Sally might be paraphrasing. Sally might be summing up Dr. Tommy's dissertation on the perils of dirt-eating. Who knows? The salient point is that you don't know what Dr. Tommy actually said, what wording he used, his inflection, the tone or strength of his words, because you're not hearing his words. You're hearing Sally's words. Sally is telling you what Dr. Tommy said. Did Sally quote Dr. Tommy? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Regardless, those are Sally's words, and the fact that she's referring to what Dr. Tommy said doesn't change the fact that they're Sally's words. Much like a CDC document referencing what has been said by the NIH is still a CDC document, and those words and that language is provided by the CDC, regardless of whether the CDC is talking about Sally, Dr Tommy, the NIH, or your reading comprehension. Are you really going to assert that you don't understand this? Really?
08-11-2023, 10:56 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
WSJ reports that a large study shows ivermection has zero efficacy in preventing hospitalization, vs a placebo.
"There was no indication that ivermectin is clinically useful,” said Edward Mills, one of the study’s lead researchers and a professor of health sciences at Canada’s McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario. Dr. Mills on Friday plans to present the findings, which have been accepted for publication in a major peer-reviewed medical journal, at a public forum sponsored by the National Institutes of Health."
Paywall, so can't post a link but it's on the front page. WSJ is a conservative and reliable news source.
"There was no indication that ivermectin is clinically useful,” said Edward Mills, one of the study’s lead researchers and a professor of health sciences at Canada’s McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario. Dr. Mills on Friday plans to present the findings, which have been accepted for publication in a major peer-reviewed medical journal, at a public forum sponsored by the National Institutes of Health."
Paywall, so can't post a link but it's on the front page. WSJ is a conservative and reliable news source.
08-12-2023, 05:51 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
It was behind a paywall at The Epoch Times which is why I didn’t link it. I’m sure there will be others around shortly.
08-12-2023, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
It was behind a paywall at The Epoch Times which is why I didn’t link it. I’m sure there will be others around shortly.
08-13-2023, 06:08 AM
#38
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March 23, 2003: NIH recommends against the use of Ivermectin for Covid 19 treatment.
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelin...gs/ivermectin/
The Food and Drug Adminisration's position on ivermectin for the treatment of Covid-19 (which hasn't changed since 2021):
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...event-covid-19
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelin...gs/ivermectin/
Recommendation
- The Panel recommends against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19
Drug AvailabilityIvermectin is not approved or authorized by the FDA for the treatment of COVID-19.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...event-covid-19
Here’s What You Need to Know about Ivermectin
- The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals. Ivermectin is approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea.
- Currently available data do not show ivermectin is effective against COVID-19. Clinical trials assessing ivermectin tablets for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 in people are ongoing.
- Taking large doses of ivermectin is dangerous.
- If your health care provider writes you an ivermectin prescription, fill it through a legitimate source such as a pharmacy, and take it exactly as prescribed.
- Never use medications intended for animals on yourself or other people. Animal ivermectin products are very different from those approved for humans. Use of animal ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 in humans is dangerous.
There’s a lot of misinformation around, and you may have heard that it’s okay to take large doses of ivermectin. It is not okay.
Even the levels of ivermectin for approved human uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death.
The reference to the conspiracy publication "epoch times" concerns their law suit, and a judge's comment, referencing the FDA. The FDA has not approved ivermectin; this is simply a lie bantied about by conspiracy nuts and idiots, and it's a dangerous one. While the conpsiracy publication "epoch times" may have a paywall, the same thing can be seen elsewhere: https://www.westernjournal.com/fda-f...dmission-drug/
This revelation about a "huge admission," turns out to be a lie, as does the assertion that the FDA has re-written it's guidance. The link above to the FDA site is the "re-write." It's not new. The epoch times law suit was dismissed in 2022; the latest false story is based on a re-hearing of the case by the 5th appeals court.
The ephoch times cannot truthfully report that the FDA has approved ivermectin for the treatment of covid, because this is a lie. The FDA has not approved ivermectin for the treatment of covid 19.
The truth has never been particularly important to the conspiracy crowd. Deny, dismiss, diminish, and when that doesn't work, simply lie about it. Again.
When Can Taking Ivermectin Be Unsafe?
The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19 in people or animals. Ivermectin has not been shown to be safe or effective for these indications.There’s a lot of misinformation around, and you may have heard that it’s okay to take large doses of ivermectin. It is not okay.
Even the levels of ivermectin for approved human uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death.
The reference to the conspiracy publication "epoch times" concerns their law suit, and a judge's comment, referencing the FDA. The FDA has not approved ivermectin; this is simply a lie bantied about by conspiracy nuts and idiots, and it's a dangerous one. While the conpsiracy publication "epoch times" may have a paywall, the same thing can be seen elsewhere: https://www.westernjournal.com/fda-f...dmission-drug/
This revelation about a "huge admission," turns out to be a lie, as does the assertion that the FDA has re-written it's guidance. The link above to the FDA site is the "re-write." It's not new. The epoch times law suit was dismissed in 2022; the latest false story is based on a re-hearing of the case by the 5th appeals court.
The ephoch times cannot truthfully report that the FDA has approved ivermectin for the treatment of covid, because this is a lie. The FDA has not approved ivermectin for the treatment of covid 19.
The truth has never been particularly important to the conspiracy crowd. Deny, dismiss, diminish, and when that doesn't work, simply lie about it. Again.
08-13-2023, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
March 23, 2003: NIH recommends against the use of Ivermectin for Covid 19 treatment.
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelin...gs/ivermectin/
The Food and Drug Adminisration's position on ivermectin for the treatment of Covid-19 (which hasn't changed since 2021):
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...event-covid-19
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelin...gs/ivermectin/
The Food and Drug Adminisration's position on ivermectin for the treatment of Covid-19 (which hasn't changed since 2021):
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...event-covid-19
08-13-2023, 10:07 PM
#40
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The epoch times is a purveyor of conspiracy theories around the world, and a puppet paper for the chinese Falun Gong. It's their lawsuit against the FDA which was dismissed in 2002, and the appeal to which they refer in their pay-walled web page. I linked the same story carried by a different source here, but post above included it inside the quote: I've re-posted it below to remove confusion between the quoted information, and my subsequent comment and link.
The FDA has NOT approved ivermectin as a covid treatment. This is a lie. What the article attempts to say is a repeat of the lie that epoch times publicized at the time of the 2022 dismissal, and before, that the FDA had altered their web site, and this alteration was clear evidence that the FDA was concealing information, and even a suggestion that this alteration constituted an approval. All lies. The only change was a year prior to the dismissal, 2021, and the web site remains as I cited above; it specifically states that Ivermectin is NOT approved as a treatment for Covid
Adjusted from my prior post above, to correct formatting (that can't be edited)
There’s a lot of misinformation around, and you may have heard that it’s okay to take large doses of ivermectin. It is not okay.
Even the levels of ivermectin for approved human uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death.
This revelation about a "huge admission," turns out to be a lie, as does the assertion that the FDA has re-written it's guidance. The link above to the FDA site is the "re-write." It's not new. The epoch times law suit was dismissed in 2022; the latest false story is based on a re-hearing of the case by the 5th appeals court. https://www.westernjournal.com/fda-f...dmission-drug/
The ephoch times cannot truthfully report that the FDA has approved ivermectin for the treatment of covid, because this is a lie. The FDA has not approved ivermectin for the treatment of covid 19.
The truth has never been particularly important to the conspiracy crowd. Deny, dismiss, diminish, and when that doesn't work, simply lie about it. Again.
There is nothing legitimate about the epoch times, not the lie it's suggested they claim now, but then perhaps that's the result of reading a story without bothering to check to see if it's true. It's not.
The FDA has NOT approved ivermectin as a covid treatment. This is a lie. What the article attempts to say is a repeat of the lie that epoch times publicized at the time of the 2022 dismissal, and before, that the FDA had altered their web site, and this alteration was clear evidence that the FDA was concealing information, and even a suggestion that this alteration constituted an approval. All lies. The only change was a year prior to the dismissal, 2021, and the web site remains as I cited above; it specifically states that Ivermectin is NOT approved as a treatment for Covid
Adjusted from my prior post above, to correct formatting (that can't be edited)
When Can Taking Ivermectin Be Unsafe?
The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19 in people or animals. Ivermectin has not been shown to be safe or effective for these indications.There’s a lot of misinformation around, and you may have heard that it’s okay to take large doses of ivermectin. It is not okay.
Even the levels of ivermectin for approved human uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death.
The ephoch times cannot truthfully report that the FDA has approved ivermectin for the treatment of covid, because this is a lie. The FDA has not approved ivermectin for the treatment of covid 19.
The truth has never been particularly important to the conspiracy crowd. Deny, dismiss, diminish, and when that doesn't work, simply lie about it. Again.
There is nothing legitimate about the epoch times, not the lie it's suggested they claim now, but then perhaps that's the result of reading a story without bothering to check to see if it's true. It's not.
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