DOJ appealing as expected
#11
Stategery says they should bow out gracefully while the getting's good.
#12
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Yes, it would be valuable to establish that precedent. I'm actually surprised that the WH is going to the mat on this... if it gets to SCOTUS weighs, it could have far-reaching and permanent ramifications for big government. Somebody's not really thinking this through
Stategery says they should bow out gracefully while the getting's good.
Stategery says they should bow out gracefully while the getting's good.
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I gotta take my old man spectacles and look at the calendar again. Overly extended mask mandate was ending Apr 18. The CDC said to study the new BA v2 variant, they wanted to extend the mask mandate through May 3. Then the Florida judge overturns the mandate. Now the DOJ is trying to overturn the decision. What's the chances of an appeal decision coming before May 3? Since it's probably not, why would the government pursue this if the new extension was ending May 3?
At this point one would have to be an idiot if they really thought the CDC would let it go after May 3. They were going to make up an excuse and extend it again from May 3 to end of May. Then again in June. Then again in July. And again, and again. Probably until the Republican wins in November.
How does ANY of this have to do with science? There is literally NO mandate in the rest of America. People are maskless in homes, schools, offices, concerts, buildings, gatherings, parks, restaurants, indoor stuff, outdoor stuff, everything. So why does putting a mask on for a flight help? They were maskless before the airport and will be maskless leaving the airport. If Covid is gonna spread, it's spreading anyway because there are no more mask protection in the rest of American life. Sorry but this looks like a theater now, nothing more.
At this point one would have to be an idiot if they really thought the CDC would let it go after May 3. They were going to make up an excuse and extend it again from May 3 to end of May. Then again in June. Then again in July. And again, and again. Probably until the Republican wins in November.
How does ANY of this have to do with science? There is literally NO mandate in the rest of America. People are maskless in homes, schools, offices, concerts, buildings, gatherings, parks, restaurants, indoor stuff, outdoor stuff, everything. So why does putting a mask on for a flight help? They were maskless before the airport and will be maskless leaving the airport. If Covid is gonna spread, it's spreading anyway because there are no more mask protection in the rest of American life. Sorry but this looks like a theater now, nothing more.
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#14
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If everyone just looks at this case past prima facie, you will see this works out pretty well for everyone.
The ruling was garbage, just read it. It has so many gaping holes an appeals court likely will overturn or return it in a heartbeat. The DOJ did not request a stay for the verdict, so the mandate will stay dead until the appeal is heard, which very likely is past the point when the mandate was going to expire anyway.
It is a political win win for everyone. Biden can say he did not want to revoke it, so the woke libs are happy. The mandate will die by expiration, so the whole country is happy. And they will get this ruling overturned, which keeps CDC happy.
The ruling was garbage, just read it. It has so many gaping holes an appeals court likely will overturn or return it in a heartbeat. The DOJ did not request a stay for the verdict, so the mandate will stay dead until the appeal is heard, which very likely is past the point when the mandate was going to expire anyway.
It is a political win win for everyone. Biden can say he did not want to revoke it, so the woke libs are happy. The mandate will die by expiration, so the whole country is happy. And they will get this ruling overturned, which keeps CDC happy.
#16
I gotta take my old man spectacles and look at the calendar again. Overly extended mask mandate was ending Apr 18.The CDC said to study the new BA v2 variant, they wanted to extend the mask mandate through May 3. Then the Florida judge overturns the mandate. Now the DOJ is trying to overturn the decision. What's the chances of an appeal decision coming before May 3? Since it's probably not, why would the government pursue this if the new extension was ending May 3?
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I gotta take my old man spectacles and look at the calendar again. Overly extended mask mandate was ending Apr 18. The CDC said to study the new BA v2 variant, they wanted to extend the mask mandate through May 3. Then the Florida judge overturns the mandate. Now the DOJ is trying to overturn the decision. What's the chances of an appeal decision coming before May 3? Since it's probably not, why would the government pursue this if the new extension was ending May 3?
At this point one would have to be an idiot if they really thought the CDC would let it go after May 3. They were going to make up an excuse and extend it again from May 3 to end of May. Then again in June. Then again in July. And again, and again. Probably until the Republican wins in November.
How does ANY of this have to do with science? There is literally NO mandate in the rest of America. People are maskless in homes, schools, offices, concerts, buildings, gatherings, parks, restaurants, indoor stuff, outdoor stuff, everything. So why does putting a mask on for a flight help? They were maskless before the airport and will be maskless leaving the airport. If Covid is gonna spread, it's spreading anyway because there are no more mask protection in the rest of American life. Sorry but this looks like a theater now, nothing more.
At this point one would have to be an idiot if they really thought the CDC would let it go after May 3. They were going to make up an excuse and extend it again from May 3 to end of May. Then again in June. Then again in July. And again, and again. Probably until the Republican wins in November.
How does ANY of this have to do with science? There is literally NO mandate in the rest of America. People are maskless in homes, schools, offices, concerts, buildings, gatherings, parks, restaurants, indoor stuff, outdoor stuff, everything. So why does putting a mask on for a flight help? They were maskless before the airport and will be maskless leaving the airport. If Covid is gonna spread, it's spreading anyway because there are no more mask protection in the rest of American life. Sorry but this looks like a theater now, nothing more.
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#19
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No doubt they'll win....question is, will they get a temporary injunction to turn the mandate back on for 3 months while they go to court....if you had any question about whether they would extend it again, you have your answer....if they had their way, everyone would be wearing masks till the end of time...
#20
I gotta take my old man spectacles and look at the calendar again. Overly extended mask mandate was ending Apr 18. The CDC said to study the new BA v2 variant, they wanted to extend the mask mandate through May 3. Then the Florida judge overturns the mandate. Now the DOJ is trying to overturn the decision. What's the chances of an appeal decision coming before May 3? Since it's probably not, why would the government pursue this if the new extension was ending May 3?
At this point one would have to be an idiot if they really thought the CDC would let it go after May 3. They were going to make up an excuse and extend it again from May 3 to end of May. Then again in June. Then again in July. And again, and again. Probably until the Republican wins in November.
How does ANY of this have to do with science? There is literally NO mandate in the rest of America. People are maskless in homes, schools, offices, concerts, buildings, gatherings, parks, restaurants, indoor stuff, outdoor stuff, everything. So why does putting a mask on for a flight help? They were maskless before the airport and will be maskless leaving the airport. If Covid is gonna spread, it's spreading anyway because there are no more mask protection in the rest of American life. Sorry but this looks like a theater now, nothing more.
At this point one would have to be an idiot if they really thought the CDC would let it go after May 3. They were going to make up an excuse and extend it again from May 3 to end of May. Then again in June. Then again in July. And again, and again. Probably until the Republican wins in November.
How does ANY of this have to do with science? There is literally NO mandate in the rest of America. People are maskless in homes, schools, offices, concerts, buildings, gatherings, parks, restaurants, indoor stuff, outdoor stuff, everything. So why does putting a mask on for a flight help? They were maskless before the airport and will be maskless leaving the airport. If Covid is gonna spread, it's spreading anyway because there are no more mask protection in the rest of American life. Sorry but this looks like a theater now, nothing more.
The power hungry CDC sought the DOJ to appeal this. The DOJ doesn't exactly follow the rules or chain of command!
I see this being a "we aren't going down without an appearance of a fight" type of appeal.
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