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TONS of people were forced to get one. Get jabbed or you can’t see this movie. Get jabbed or you can’t eat at this restaurant. Get jabbed or lose your job. Get jabbed or you can’t go to school. Get jabbed or you can’t have this medical procedure. Get jabbed or you can’t see or visit your loved ones in the hospital. How much forceful could you get? I’m assuming you believe just because youre not thrown in jail its not forced?
Yes. Not forced. You can always get another job if it's that important to you, and some people did that.
Some people who claim to be big on freedom seem to forget that freedom is a two way street. Private persons and organizations should be able to choose with whom they associate... even if that means not YOU.
Gov should not force it on anyone who does not work for them. The contractor mandate was overreach for airlines.
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There is an argument to be made that the vaccines were a benefit for the 70 and older population. The data for young people gets worse by the day. Even the American Heart Association recently admitted the vaccines have higher rates of heart problems for men under 40. The first two of shots of pfizer are slightly higher. The second shot alone of Moderna is about 8x higher. No data exists for the booster, but for both pfizer and Moderna the second shot is worst than the first. If the trend is linear then you can only imagine how much worse the 3rd and 4th shots are. Yes there are other side effects from the virus. But there also other side effects from the vaccines such as blood clotting. How many other side effects from the virus does a 20 year old have to get in order to outweigh the 8x greater risk of heart problems. And again, that doesn’t even include dose 3 or 4. Numerous European countries have recommend people under 30 not get vaccinated for almost a year already.
This is overblown I have seen nothing remotely reputable indicating that adverse affects increase with boosters. Feel free to post links if you have something that's not some fringe wingnut trying to scratch out a living on youtube after his medical license got yanked for excess opiod scrips.
But the US is going to a recommended annual covid booster (like the flu shot).
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Covid death amounts to 5-10% excess death depending on the country. Total excess death is an additional 10-20% ON TOP of that. Several life insurance companies and European countries are reporting up to 40% increase in all cause mortality in 18-64 year olds. “A 5% increase is a once in 100 year occurrence.”
I said from day one that lockdowns would do more damage than covid... that's still playing out in missed medical screenings and mental health issues (and we're not done with economic fallout either). I have no doubt at all that there are excess deaths from that and I blame .gov THEY did that. COVID deaths are "stuff happens". Lockdown-induced deaths are catastrophic .gov over-reach. It's not .gov's place to shift deaths from one demographic to another.
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It started with you will not get covid if you get the jab. Then it was there’s a few breakthrough cases.
There were few with covid 1.0.
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Then it was well you still wont die. Then it was you’ll have less severe symptoms.
That's still true for all significant variants to date. The natural course of a bug like this is to become more contagious and less severe, and that's what's happening. The vaccine will become less relevant over time and will wind up like the flu shot... get it if you want, or not. If you're over 70, better get it. It will be updated for new variants.
USG announced today that boosters will be annual, and there is now an omicron specific booster. We're there, it's done. I haven't been asked for a vaccine card in a long time, and have never been asked to prove I had a booster (I haven't).