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44% is not surprising. I would actually expect it be greater given the sheer imbalance hospitalizations from BA.2 being from the over 65 crowd who are far more likely to have one or more boosters. They account for 75% of the overall hospitalizations in the study.

Thedude86

Yes and how many are specifically there for Covid? I would say 65 and older probably make up at least 75% of hospitalizations in general. The CDC admitted last year that they’re counting people who aren’t hospitalized for Covid and they indirectly admit they’re presently not counting pregnant people in the study because they’re there for other reasons. So most likely they’re continuing the same faulty counting.

Do we know how many of these people are 80+? The CDC likes to give more specific data for the older population but be extremely vague for younger people. Just how they continue to be for the 18-49 age group.

I also never said vaccines are worse for older people. I’ve said several posts back that it’s mostly in younger people. And the data today is a lot worse than it was just a month ago. I’m sure that trend will continue for some time still.

Thedude86

No one can deny the numbers continue to get worse. Denmark was one of the first countries to RECOMMEND not getting vaccinated if you’re under 30. Now, numerous countries have followed.

As of 2 days ago, Denmark not only doesn’t recommend, but WILL NOT let vaccines be available for anyone under 50 unless you have certain health conditions. The data continues to get worse. I’m sure there will be more to follow.

50 and under aren’t even allowed to get anymore jabs in Denmark. 30 and under not recommended in countless other countries. But the CDC who operates on data from a year ago (if they even look at it) wants you to get your 5 year old jabbed even if they’re healthy with natural immunity.

Thedude86

It’s frustrating to have this post approval process where we can’t even edit our posts.

Again, the 44% only includes the 2+1 booster doses. I’m sure if you included everyone with only 1 or 2 original shots that is easily over 50% and most likely over 60%. But since we have to deal with the CDC we will never know that data.

My guess is that the CDC just uses the 65 and over group and hides the real reasons people are hospitalized is to keep supporting their claim that everyone should be vaccinated. If they broke it down further by age group, the data broken down in the 50 and under groups would most likely support the way other first world developed countries are handling it. The U.S. and Canada are in their own world.

rickair7777

Way overblown. They have not "banned" the vaccines, just focusing on those who might actually be at risk, plus relatives of those at risk, and medical workers.

"Banned" means they REVOKED the certification, which they did not. This is why this forum is pre-moderated, because people keep regurgitating outright lies from the wingnut blogosphere.

The vaccines prevent severe outcomes, but don't prevent infection with current strains.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2ZS0J8

https://www.thesuburban.com/news/cit...9eee4378d.html

Nothing wrong with the vaccines statistically speaking, but current covid versions are mild so their attitude is why bother for young, healthy people. Many other governments take the approach that everyone should get vaccinated to help protect those most at risk. I don't think they should mandate that (or masks, social D, etc) but I don't really care if they encourage it.

My kid may or may not get a booster next year, depends on what covid is doing, and how likely it is to be a nuisance. We get the flu shot because we know that will be a nuisance.

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Totally agree there. Had one booster, got COVID 6 months later, but it was enough of a nuisance that I wouldn’t want to get a more severe occurance. My kids are adults, so they make their own decisions, but I’m assuming they’ll make the same decision, just as they have with the flu.

Thedude86

Typical fact check. Claim something that was never stated, then say that the claim is false. I never said it was banned. I said it will not be available. Here’s the link from the Danish Health Authority https://www.sst.dk/en/english/corona...ainst-covid-19. “people aged under 50 are therefore currently not being offered booster vaccination” Of course they’re not going to say its because of side effects because almost every country using the mRNA vaccines had to sign contracts on what that can and can not say about the product. But when have you ever heard of a government agency taking away access to a medical product only because its not needed and not because of the negatives? Has that ever happened?

Yes, legally speaking its not banned. (Never said it was btw) Although, if you’re a normal citizen who wants to continue getting the jab because youre wearing 4 masks still, there is no difference to you between banned and not offered… If youre under 50 and healthy… you ain’t gettin it.

Overblown? First it was, the vaccines are safe and effective. Then, we don’t recommend if youre under 12. Then, well actually we don’t recommend if youre under 18. Then, well actually we don’t recommend if youre under 30. Now its, if youre under 50 we will not give it to you. I mean how bad does it have to get before its overblown? Even though they’ve changed age cutoff 4 different times, im sure it has nothing to do with the negatives.

No one has any idea if the vaccines will not prevent severe outcomes. How many deaths are strictly because of covid? No one knows. The CDC will not release that data. Do you have the data? Everyone says it but no one can back it up. Even the CDC’s own faulty fudged data doesn’t even back that up. Dr. Fauci’s sidekick for all of 2020, Dr. Birx, even said that 50% of omicron deaths were overweight and vaccinated.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=4206070 This is a study and data analysis currently undergoing peer review. The authors are from crackpot wingnut schools such as the University of Washington, Oxford, Harvard, and 2 from John’s Hopkins University. Based on data analysis, which includes some data from the CDC, they estimate in young adults that there are 18-98 SERIOUS adverse events from vaccines for just 1 hospitalization prevention. That doesn’t even include how many adverse events are needed to prevent a death. How much higher are those numbers for kids? Don’t expect the CDC to ever tell you.

Btw, almost every fact check that was false 2 years ago… is now true today. It amazes me that the people who have been wrong and given misleading or downright fraudulent data almost every step of the way are still respected and looked upon as our guide to make policy. But the people who have been right and provided specific and detailed data are considered wingnuts. I wish someone could explain to me why we’re still supposed to trust the CDC even as their “data” changes almost every day. There aren’t too many countries that have handled Covid the way the CDC has. Yet, you guys want to continue to make excuses and defend them even as you get proven wrong on regular basis for 2.5 years straight. I at least admire the commitment and consistency.

rickair7777

Covid severity starting to look like the flu, or even less severe. NPR reporting this.

It's basically an over-grown common cold so I'd expect it to eventually join the ranks of the other coronaviruses in the common cold pantheon.


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...risky-than-flu

rickair7777

Not going down that rabbit hole. But we are going to be intellectually honest here.

I absolutely did not approve of mandatory social distancing or lockdowns, and said so endlessly. I did approve of the efforts to develop the then "Trump" vaccine, back when gavin newsom was threatening to ban it CA

The original vaccine worked great for covid 1.0. Still works to keep people out of the hospital for later variants, although as I said above that's becoming less relevant with omicron. The vaccines were a vital catalyst to get people out of hiding and salvage the economy.

At this point we know conclusively that vaccines (the ones in common use in the US) are statically as safe as other common vaccines. The nature of the biology of vaccines indicate that any problems would have shown up already. No amount of wishing, begging, pleading, bedtime praying is going to cause the vaccine adverse effect catastrophe which some people have been so eagerly and desperately hoping for. Time to move on to something else...

If you're Danish and under 50 the situation is that their SOCIALIZED MEDICAL SYSTEM will not give you a free covid booster. That's not the same as "banned"... what it is cost control by a socialist government. I wouldn't have thought you'd really go in for that brand of politics??

Apples to apples here in the US this would be the equivalent of the CDC recommending that only 50+ and high-risk get the shot. But your doc could still give you one if you wanted, as long as the FDA approval stands, unless specifically proscribed. That's called Freedom in this country.

Thedude86

It would never happen because the CDC and FDA are just a front for the pharmaceuticals, but if they ever actually said 50 and under will not offered the shot in the U.S. it would be a pretty big deal. I think you’re glancing over the elephant in the room like it’s no big deal. Let’s pretend they’re not offering it just because they don’t feel a need to fund it…. Why do numerous countries not recommend it if you’re under 30? That has nothing to do with funding. That’s their health agencies saying if you’re under 30 and healthy not to get it.

The vaccines worked better for the original strain but not well. Pfizer’s own documents show their effectiveness was less than half of what they advertised. No one knows the true numbers of deaths caused by actual Covid because they included everyone as long as they tested positive. There were more Covid deaths in 2021 than in 2020 when no one was vaxxed. You can’t say they’re effective when you or anyone else doesn’t even know what the actual data says because it’s mostly hidden.

I think you’re a lost cause when it comes to safety. I’ve posted tons of data that shows they’re not even in the same universe as other vaccines. You could argue whether the virus or vaccines are worse depending on age, but to say these vaccines are just as safe as previous vaccines is disingenuous. Even the CDC’s own data and statements from their own director show they have more side effects than other vaccines. You base your opinions on statements from pharma funded agencies with no data to back them up. The CDC could tell you 10x as many kids die from the vaccines than the virus but it’s still safe and effective so we think you should vaccinate your 5 year old… and you would say, “well the CDC recommends it”.

For young kids the flu was 5x worse than even the original Covid strain.

Yes, I never saw that you supported mandates but you act like they weren’t a big deal because no one was forced. Yea no one was forced. No one lost their job because they didn’t get the shot. No one was left out of school because they didn’t get the shot. No one was denied medical treatment because they didn’t get the shot. At least they weren’t forced. All is well.