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04-08-2017, 08:23 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by DALFA
I think they get away with a lot less with the pilots then they do with the FAs and in part it's because you have a union.
Let me explain:
Pilots at Delta are much more informed about their contractual limits and other work rules than Delta FAs. That alone keeps Delta a bit more on their toes with you guys then the flight attendants.
It's like having a speed limit on a highway. If you know there's cops all along the road you don't speed because you don't want a ticket. If you know there are no cops you try to push the envelope and try to get away with things you wouldn't otherwise do.
Let me explain:
Pilots at Delta are much more informed about their contractual limits and other work rules than Delta FAs. That alone keeps Delta a bit more on their toes with you guys then the flight attendants.
It's like having a speed limit on a highway. If you know there's cops all along the road you don't speed because you don't want a ticket. If you know there are no cops you try to push the envelope and try to get away with things you wouldn't otherwise do.
04-08-2017, 08:24 AM
#42
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Bastian's infatuation with big data, control, and micromanagement--combined with his penny pinching (underpaid/undertrained/overworked technicians in skeds and tracking) amounts to a betrayal of the passengers and employees. You can see it in the passengers' eyes. They feel deeply betrayed.
He has failed to give us the tools to do our jobs, while lining his pockets through buybacks and dividends. Then he expects us to pick up the slack.
He's done.
He has failed to give us the tools to do our jobs, while lining his pockets through buybacks and dividends. Then he expects us to pick up the slack.
He's done.
04-08-2017, 08:27 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by qball
When I hear an FA complain about getting used and abused (as they often seem to be) I tell them they need a better union. I usually get a blank stare and "we don't have a union". I can't help but wonder why.
No, it won't make IROPS disappear but it will make management accountable for more things which will ultimately mean they won't be able to cut as many corners as they're used to.
04-08-2017, 08:36 AM
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[QUOTE=StoneQOLdCrazy;2338748]Bastian's infatuation with big data, control, and micromanagement--combined with his penny pinching (underpaid/undertrained/overworked technicians in skeds and tracking) amounts to a betrayal of the passengers and employees. You can see it in the passengers' eyes. They feel deeply betrayed.
He has failed to give us the tools to do our jobs, while lining his pockets through buybacks and dividends. Then he expects us to pick up the slack.
He's done
He has been CEO for 11 months. The items you mention were all in place before he became CEO.
He has failed to give us the tools to do our jobs, while lining his pockets through buybacks and dividends. Then he expects us to pick up the slack.
He's done
He has been CEO for 11 months. The items you mention were all in place before he became CEO.
04-08-2017, 08:37 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by DALFA
They would have been much more prepared for it, staffing would be higher, they'd have more schedulers on hand etc. The outcome wouldn't have been as devastating.
04-08-2017, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
So why were they so completely screwed up on the pilot side? Still are today in fact.
How many pilot crews had 20+ hour duty days?
How many pilot crews had 30+ hour duty days?
While it may be screwed up on the pilot side...it's about 5 levels beyond that on the FA side. There's ZERO accountability.
04-08-2017, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
How many pilot crews slept in hotel lobbys or in the lounge as their "legal rest period"?
How many pilot crews had 20+ hour duty days?
How many pilot crews had 30+ hour duty days?
While it may be screwed up on the pilot side...it's about 5 levels beyond that on the FA side. There's ZERO accountability.
How many pilot crews had 20+ hour duty days?
How many pilot crews had 30+ hour duty days?
While it may be screwed up on the pilot side...it's about 5 levels beyond that on the FA side. There's ZERO accountability.
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04-08-2017, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by qball
When I hear an FA complain about getting used and abused (as they often seem to be) I tell them they need a better union. I usually get a blank stare and "we don't have a union". I can't help but wonder why.
04-08-2017, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
We can't have those duty days because of FARs. If it were legal the company would expect it from us.
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FAs have "work rule" limits of 15 hours yet many are too afraid to exercise that option or are guilted into going above that when they call scheduling. Just having a contract empowers you and because of that the company has different expectations.
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