I was told that 2025 all the Airbus fleet will have the 350 cockpit as an option. Dont know about 220 but if it does that's a sign of its longevity.

Until Boeing decides what the 737 future will be Airbus doesnt have to change a thing except bring 220 into the fold, if so desired.

 

I agree, numbers change when you go comparing 220s to the 320N. The 320 numbers are good anyways because of size, the 320N is 20% better on fuel burn than 320 with more seats than a 223.That's a big change.

The 225 is too long, overall performance wont match the 320 and neither will cargo capacity (from what I've read). I think that is why Airbus said no to 225, not to mention all the business aspects of it. But while people latched on to Airbus saying there was bright future to the 220 they missed the part where Airbus said this year that the 319 is still superior to the 223. Thats a sign they're not going to embrace something that isnt theirs.

 

Omg. Canabus. Oh my. Made my day.

 

I would be very curious to know what is the narrow body long term strategy for Airbus. Prior to launching the 320N, they determined that by 2010, technology gains were not significant enough to justify a whole new airframe. It was therefore decided to wait at least until 2030 to launch a whole new airframe and build the A320N in the interim. (engine technology improvements result in 1% fuel savings per year).
All this to say that Airbus never had the intent to stretch the 320 over 50 years. However, the A220 was not part of that equation when the 320N launch was decided. They now have a future proof, super efficient design, albeit not a true Airbus which means no commonality of flight deck. In the US, multi fleet flying doesn't exist but it's very popular everywhere else and with the A220, that's not possible.
On the other hand, making an A220-500 would most likely mark the end of the A320 while creating a heterogeneous line of products.

 

Airbus may claim the 319neo is superior but people aren’t buying it.

a319neo orders: 36 deliveries: 0
a220-300 orders: 412 deliveries: 51

Only 60 MAX7’s ordered, for what it’s worth

 

They can’t make the 220 fast enough.

 

I'd be surprised if the next gen 320 doesn't contain at least 50% carbon fiber.

 

Airbus has said an all new aircraft(minus engines) would only save 3%. The fuel savings all has to come from the engines, as a redesign is way too expense. Boeing is essentially stuck with the 737, they can't build a new frame unless the government gives them $15 billion dollars.
As far as engines go, the next step in efficiency is the udf engine, however, that's probably not going to happen due to noise limits. Notice how it's much louder than an old MD88 engine.

 

Both killed by their bigger sibling. The 319 is no longer needed when the 320N matches the performance gain. 738 kills 700, see DAL and SWA for details.

The fact they openly say the 319 is still superior in many ways is proof to me they love their own stuff more. Go figure. The 319 btw is the variant with the near 7000 mile range, for ACJ purposes.

Fwiw:

a319neo orders: 51 deliveries: 0 just certified with Leaps and PW to go
a220-300 orders: 412 deliveries: 51
A220-100 orders: 90
A220-500 orders...0

A319ceo orders: 1489, backlog 19
A319ceo orders: 4,770 backlog 118
A320neo orders: 4,101 backlog 3,745
A321ceo orders: 1,800 backlog 113
A321neo orders: 1,985 backlog 1,907

That's roughly 6000 order backlog for the 320 family. A total of almost 14,200 aircraft. And that's 14200 airplanes using the same type.

I dont think Airbus is going to switch to the CS a fraction of their way through that backorder.

Or switch to CS that got 500 orders over 10 years with a 5th of that going to Delta. The same Delta who decided to wait on ordering neos or maxes because we have bargain MD90s and 717s and we dont do new technolo... holy #### the rest of the world does.

 

And I know I wrote all that to you Peacock but it was a general discussion.

I think Airbus is eating a snickers waiting to see what Boeing is going to do with 737.

Now I'm not engineer, but if 5 wide is better than 6 wide at 100 seats but 6 wide is better at 150, as I have read, then Airbus may be very happy to have their 220/320 setup.

If airbus wants, maybe by the time they take 100% of the program then rip the cockpit out and put in 350 and airbus logic. Should be the 2025 time frame where I've heard they want to go 350 across the board. Of course the gremlins the 220 has need to be worked out.

But like the 330/350, the single type allows short courses. So common 350 cockpit you can do the 220/320/330/350 all on short courses, thatd be sweet.

That's also a lot of pressure on Boeing. Something they cant match unless they go and degrade the 195 cockpit to 737 or upgrade 737 to E195 and the Boeing crowd wont like that.

Maybe they can steal the Embraer E500 cockpit with side stick and put that in both?