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Old 07-07-2017 | 05:45 AM
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2059 Retirement date. Probably could hold 88A too. Bearing a catastrophic Black Swan event should be a spectacular career. Demographics of the pilot group are rapidly changing. In 3 years half the list will be 2014 and later hires. Brave New World.
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Old 07-07-2017 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
Don't kid yourself. It could happen tomorrow!! Read that again, before you start spending every penny of your new Captains check every month.

You've been blessed since you've been here. I don't care how fast upgrades here are right now, compared to the rest of the big four. If/when things turn south, and I'm sure they will again, and the backwards slide happens again, you don't want to have to start selling assets and disrupting your family's life just to pay your bills, if you get bumped back to the right seat.

I agree everything can quickly turn to crap like it has done many times in the past. What I disagree on is exactly how that would affect us as Pilots.

When 9-11 hit:

We parked all the AC with FEs causing an excess of hundreds of Pilots.

We were very inefficient with LOT bidding and trips touching - that was replaced by PBS causing an excess of hundreds of Pilots.

Our contract was run through BK causing an excess of hundreds of Pilots.

Age 65 hit shortly after retirements were cancelled/stolen/euthanized or whatever you want to call it causing hundreds of Pilots to really have no choice but to fly to 65.

DAL and NW merge and end the Cargo operation - causing an excess of hundreds of Pilots.

None of these events can happen again. Yes the retirement age can be incrementally raised but with no DB to be flushed the affects will be minimal.

So while there surly is another Black Swan lurking just around the corner if and when it hits the results will be nothing like the "lost decade" which was a multi-faceted perfect storm of stagnation.

So we got that going for us - which is nice.

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Old 07-07-2017 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
So we got that going for us - which is nice.
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I see what you did there, Mr. Spackler!
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Old 07-10-2017 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
2059 Retirement date. Probably could hold 88A too. Bearing a catastrophic Black Swan event should be a spectacular career. Demographics of the pilot group are rapidly changing. In 3 years half the list will be 2014 and later hires. Brave New World.
2059. Now I feel old.

Met one of the 23 year olds, I was impressed. 2 years of college while still in hs. Good amount of 1900D time and RJ time. Hope they do have absolutely spectacular careers.
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Old 07-10-2017 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg

We fly 3. Korean flies 15.
Kind of a silly retort. How many major markets are there in Korea? How many in the US?
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Old 07-10-2017 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
Plus, the MD88 and 90 are uncomfortable and loud from a pax perspective compared to other fleet types. The MD88, in particular, is a disgrace from the pax perspective - even Spirit A319s are more comfortable....
I guess you haven't ridden on NK in a while. Their brand new thin seat don't even recline and are as close to each other as legally possible. Even a 5'8" person's knees are wedged against the seat in front of them...

No wifi or inflight entertainment whatsoever.

Let's just say they are equally bad but for different reasons. lol.
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Old 07-10-2017 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Kind of a silly retort. How many major markets are there in Korea? How many in the US?
I hope you are playing dumb.

18 flights from the USA to ICN on "SkyTeam" and KA flies 15/18.

"...major markets are there in Korea?" What are you even talking about?
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Old 07-11-2017 | 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Kind of a silly retort. How many major markets are there in Korea? How many in the US?
You can't fix stupid.

One of your top ten. And that is saying something.

James would allowing 90 seat aircraft at our regional partners be a good idea?

Would they save our bacon?
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Old 07-11-2017 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
You can't fix stupid.

One of your top ten. And that is saying something.

James would allowing 90 seat aircraft at our regional partners be a good idea?

Would they save our bacon?
Guess if it were me I'd be more ticked about the Wide Bodies than
the RJ's. At least RJ's are flown by up and coming US pilots where
JV pilots not so much.
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Old 07-11-2017 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
You can't fix stupid.

One of your top ten. And that is saying something.

James would allowing 90 seat aircraft at our regional partners be a good idea?

Would they save our bacon?
What's scary is that JB's not alone in that way of thinking. There's no wonder why unbalanced JVs are thriving here. We've got LCAs and NC members truly believing this kind of shiite.
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