Plus no bleed air. Using electrical air compression *might* be less harmful to one's health.

I miss the "Perfumed Ester" of the CV-880, hack, hack......cough.:eek:

Nothing like the dirty gym sock smell of the 727.

CTE to football players has been proven. We subject ourselves to a multitude of threats in a career.

Aren't you guys getting the 350? It looks nicer than the 787..doubt it will be doing much if any domestic? Just curious why Delta bought a bunch of those if their business plan is to retract (give away to JV) international flying?

They bought the aircraft because the JV they hoped to set up with China was planned to end up with 15 to 16 flights a day on Delta metal to China modeled after the AMS hub. That JV has so far not worked out so the forcus has shifted to Korea. The A330-900 is 50 million cheaper than the A350. A350 orders are being cutback to only 15. The A330-900 will be the big fleet.

When do they start arriving? Looks like 2019.

Any idea if they will be moved up in light of the deferred 350s?

At the flight ops road show they said deliveries will start when the 350 orders are complete and the 10 deferred A350 deliveries would start when the 25 A330-900 deliveries are done. I got the impression however that unless there is a range specific need those orders might change to more A330's. They emphasized they are 50 million less per copy.

Uses 737 nosewheel?

Probably same overhead too :D

No, SWA and Alaska won't be buying any of these. I'm guessing the overhead isn't an issue.
OTOH, The 737 Max 10 just sold like hotcakes in Paris. Apparently, every airline management group has no idea what the difference is between 1960 and 2017.

I see the -10 stands on it's tippy-toes for T.O. The MLG extends 9" for rotation clearance..... What could go wrong?:rolleyes:

And you KNOW a clean sheet design couldn't help that issue!;)

That is not official. 350 orders are still at 25, however it is likely that 10 of those will be converted to 339s due to said korean vice china hub issue.

Oh man... I wonder where they're gonna put the big light bulb that comes on if it's broken?

Even more of a reason to get the 330/764 banded with the 777/350.

Exactly! Off the top of my head, like FedEx and AA

Now back to the -90 going away. What's this week's version of that?

June 27, 2017 from flightglobal.com

"Delta Air Lines has pulled its first Boeing MD-90 from service, as it prepares to begin a three-year drawdown of its MD-88 fleet.

The aircraft (MSN 53382) was withdrawn from service on 23 June, Flight Fleets Analyzer shows and a spokesman for the Atlanta-based carrier confirms. The aircraft had 58,772 cycles and 31,998 hours at the end of 2016.

The MD-90 was one of the first two delivered to launch customer Delta on 24 March 1995, the database shows."

But- that big light bulb will only come on during RECALL. Up to that point it will stay silent- waiting for an inconvient time to tell you "I'm broken!"

Wait- What?!? So it AVERAGED a 1/2 hour flight leg? Am I reading that right?

If it has 2 aisles it should pay 777/350 rates. Like American and United.

C2019 is the perfect time to make this happen along with 5:15 vacation, training and min day.

Probably didn't include ground time.

Yep...just give us international VB's, more large RJ's and a massive pro-KA imbalanced JV, a company Dr. note for all sick calls, one more hour to the ALV and an 8th short call.

See how easy that was. :cool:

Sounds pretty ******* clumsy. This isn't Africa we're trying to work - it's only the #1 market in the world and we're 1) giving up our nook at Tokyo and 2) now onto another attempt to work with someone in Korean.

We did not give up our nook in Tokyo, it is dead and buried by better aircraft and a very crafty move by the Japanese to open up Haneda to international flights. China has not worked out because our potential partner wants all the Pacific flying with us doing zero.
That was the same thing KAL wanted a few years back that led to a pullback in that relationship. Fortunently for us they bought a shipping company that is dragging them down and they came back to the table hat in hand.

Two man enter, one man leaves!

Take the time to see who fills the routes we are abandoning in Narita.

Or do you think no airline will?

Clueless.

If they are profitable why would we drop them? RA was anything but a fool when it came to route planning and as he stated many times each route needed to pull its weight. Next time you are in ATL for training walk over to the Marketing area and talk with the folks running Asia. I suspect you might find it enlighting and you might actually be surprised at how competent they actually are.

Gzsg walking into Delta Marketing to speak his knowledge of airline economics is similar to what we'll see soon when McGregor walks into the ring with Mayweather to show his boxing skills.

Mic drop right there.

HMV for an -88 is $4M. Apparently a HMV for a -90 is $22,000,000. It's a bunch of $ to pay for already depreciated, older, less efficient aircraft in a much smaller category. Sending them to the desert kinda makes sense but my degree was in marketing.

Plus, the MD88 and 90 are uncomfortable and loud from a pax perspective compared to other fleet types. The MD88, in particular, is a disgrace from the pax perspective - even Spirit A319s are more comfortable. Heaven forbid if you are unlucky enough to be seated in the last 10 rows of the MD88 - bring your Bose noise cancellers. Not "business friendly" like the Airbus, Boeing and incoming CSeries. If Delta really wants to become the airline of choice for business travelers, like the smaller RJs, it's time for the ageing 88 & 90 to be expeditiously retired to the boneyard....

So a JV partner can do the flying.

We make a lot less money that way.

Sailing

Let me ask you where you stood as management was marching to over 800 regional jets?

Did you parrot their words about how they would feed the wide bodies?

I think we can all agree management was severely wrong and ****ed away billions.

How much did Delta pay for Comair? You remember Comair don't you?

There are 18 nonstops between Korea and the U.S.

We fly 3. Korean flies 15.

And the 80 cities beyond Korea?

We fly none.

Keep repeating management's talking points.

Sailing what was the ROI on the Comair purchase?

Yeah baby, they know how to make money.

"The RJs are saving our bacon!!!"

Jerry, how long ago was that, and under which mgmt team's watch?

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Totally different management team back then and I opposed anything over 69 seats going to the regionals. Not sure your point on flights to Korea. It's their national airline and the JV has not even been implemented. How many total flights from the US on multiple US airlines are there. If you are going to survive in the modern world you need a network. It's worked remarkably well the last 5 years for Delta pilots. You are a numbers guy, post the hiring numbers at the big 4! Pretty astounding how many more pilots we have hired compared to everyone else!

This is to anyone (not necessarily to gzsg) I have not seen anything published yet: do we know for certain the "scope" of the Korean JV?

1) Is it JV "US-Korea" only + codeshare beyond?
Or

2) is it JV on all Korean airlines destinations?

Big, big difference between the two.