MD-90 going bye-bye?
 

Latest rumor from the guys on the 2nd floor...
Heavy maintenance on the -90 is almost 4x the cost of -88...Therefore, the -90s are going the way of the dodo.

Anyone with 4th floor knowledge here to confirm?
Sailingfun?
Bueller?

There will be a RFP to replace the MD90's in the Aug timeframe. I am sure it will include the expected delivery times. Probably 4 or 5 years out before the first swapout.

I heard we are going to convert some early cs100 orders to the 300 and open up that plane in ATL. Wouldn't be surprised if it coincides with 88-90s leaving even though the cs300 seats less.

I hope you guys boycott Boeing.

We have almost 200 A321's and 737-900's still to be delivered. They don't need any C series aircraft to park the 88's. They have put out they are issuing a RFP in AUG.

MD-90 going bye-bye?
 

If the C-Series is as big of a success as it appears to be on paper and in our collective heads, we won't have to boycott Boeing. There will be another major player in town, one that will hopefully force Boeing to innovate instead of stretch.


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I dunno. Boeing is working on a replacement. I think it's called the Mad Max.

Yeah, but it will retain the 737 overhead panel from the early 1960s for the SWA pilots............... :D

The cockpit will be referred to as the Thunder Dome

Mad Max, Thunder Dome. Pure internet gold.

Let's just hope they don't have the same issues that spirit and Lufthansa has had with the P&W geared engines in their a320 neos :rolleyes:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...e-up-e-435950/

Relevant points from the article:

"We have had no issue with the PW1500," Bombardier adds. "We are pleased with the CSeries entry-into-service experience and engine performance."

"The CSeries and engine combination was tested much more extensively than any of our competitors, and the result we see is a much more mature product in service," Bombardier adds. P&W says the 1500G has a 99.9% reliability rate, calling the engine's entry into service "better than anticipated".

What a D O G the Mad Dog -90 is.

[QUOTE=sailingfun;2383997]There will be a RFP to replace the MD90's in the Aug timeframe. I am sure it will include the expected delivery times. Probably 4 or 5 years out before the first swapout.[/QUOTE

IMO the 88 and the 90 will disappear much faster. They simply can't do all the training.

Today is their best and easiest day for handling the training volume.

Each and every hour it gets worse for the next decade.

I hate to be so upbeat, but the economy is going to be strong for the next decade and more. Resulting in more domestic growth making their training challenge all the more difficult.

I sure hope you are right....about the economy that is......:)

Denny

[QUOTE=gzsg;2384130]You have been telling us the training department was going to collapse for the last 10 years. Not a single prediction on that has come true.

If they don't get another large order and soon the whole issue may be decided on the CS100/300 without the aircraft getting a fair chance.

[QUOTE=sailingfun;2384265]How many positions were posted on the AE?

How many did they fill?

Not only did they not fill over 20% of the positions, they did only a small portion of the waterfall.

Your like Kevin Bacon in Animal House.

Everything is just fine!!!!!!

[QUOTE=gzsg;2384355]

[QUOTE=gzsg;2384355]They filled basically everything accept 35 crews on the A350. They will fill those on a January bid that will have a conversion window ending concurrent with the one year bid. The other stuff was the usual new hire positions. You can relax everything is fine.

[QUOTE=sailingfun;2384394]Well, they certainly didn't back fill......... Seattle lost a net 13 A330 Captains. Didn't look at any of the other positions.

Denny

PS: Quoting is messed up.

[QUOTE=sailingfun;2384394]There were 2012 positions.

They filled 1699 or so.

When 2000 pilots advance this causes a waterfall whether you believe it or not.

When a 777A retires one 330A replaces them. And one ER captain goes to the 330A and one 320A goes to ER captain and one 717A goes to the 320A and so on.

This AE didn't even fill the openings let alone the waterfall.

I hope you are correct Sailing and this is a non issue.

If it does become an issue I hope management doesn't think we are going to save them from having one of every fleet.

[QUOTE=Denny Crane;2384416]I agree.

I think they have finally woken up to the fact they can't staff all these different fleets.

That is why I believe the 88 and 90 will be rapidly replaced.

[QUOTE=gzsg;2384453]With what? Nothing can replace the 88/90 anytime soon. Not enough aircraft orders or simulators to do that.

[QUOTE=3 green;2384458]Buy spirit or frontier and get 1400ish current/qualified A320 drivers plus a bunch of fairly new planes that need repainting and new seats... Would that be enough to replace the MDs?

[QUOTE=flensr;2384475]The last thing they need is a merger.

[QUOTE=flensr;2384475]Never going go happen. The pilots don't want it. Management doesn't want it. And no way in hell the DOJ would allow it. Airlines are evil and the pubic needs their cheap seats!!!

[QUOTE=flensr;2384475]

That would give GP on ChitChat another 22,000 posts easily!


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They ain't coming my way, bruh.:D

In all seriousness, I just came back from CQ and heard the same rumor. In fact, the DGS guy told me the 90s will be gone before the 88s. But that was at midnight...Just before my E period sim.:mad: He could have been dreaming...I know I was close to it.

P.S. Quoting seems to work fine now.

[QUOTE=3 green;2384458]We have almost 250 narrow bodies on order for delivery during the MD88 retirement phase. We can retire them all and still grow the domestic fleet substantially. We are currently taking 5 to 6 new narrow bodies a month and that figure will increase in the Spring when the C series arrives.

[QUOTE=Denny Crane;2384416]Denny, they put out repeatedly that they would not backfill SEA because it was overstuffed. They backfilled the other A330 bases fully.

Schoolhouse rumor is md88's start retiring after the summer, gone by year's end 2020. 90's start retiring 2021, and gone by year's end 2023. Rfp for replacement "upcoming" as they don't currently have a 150 - 160 seat aircraft on order to replace. Neo 320's or 737 max 8 were mentioned. Will probably come down which is cheaper.

Again, schoolhouse rumor, so g take it fwiw. 5 year plan changes weekly.

[QUOTE=flensr;2384475]LOL no.

That is literally less than a zero sum game. Any buyout like that would require top dollar to be paid, and then a significant forced divesture to welfare sucking "new entrants" and "LCC's" for pennies on the dollar or possibly even free. The airlines you mentioned are overflowing with pax on limited capacity as it is, so the pilots and planes they would bring are already spoken for. So we'd have to pay top dollar to acquire marketshare only to abandon it to deploy on existing marketshare. Plus the headaches and civil war that would result from a narrow body group chomping at the bit for full relative, or the "Guadalupe" style response to it.

Very expensive and doesn't accomplish very much. Not very likely to happen. Partial asset purchases might be in the cards in the future, or perhaps carve ups, that don't trigger merger language or DOJ divestures, but the easiest and cheapest way is just to do it ourselves. (ditto for UAL, AA, etc).

I wouldn't count out the traditional -800 or 320's either (and yes, they will both EASILY keep the line open longer to accommodate the order). Why pay many many many billions more for a nice but moderate fuel efficiency when you only see the bulk of that one advantage on longer flights when the planes in question will be used predominately on shorter flights, but you have to pay the higher coats of the new ones on every seat on every flight?

It could also cause Canadair to front burner the -500 and basically give it away as well. What a coup that would be. Expect an even heaver handed response from the crony caps at BA if that happens though.

DL truly is in the driver's seat with this situation. They control the drawdown of the 90 with cost effective paid for assets with plenty of time left on them. That's usually not the case.

I've heard the C Series GTF application is going MUCH better than other competitors.

[QUOTE=gloopy;2384576]I didn't post that, so i don't know why it has my username..I agree with what you say.

When people are replying to quotes it is putting the wrong name as the poster ..Anyone else notice this, and why is it doing it?

Things that make you go hmmmmmm?

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/boeing-signs-commitment-with-unidentified-customer-for-125-737-max-8-airplanes-300478131.html

Too bad the CS500 isn't ready yet.

gzsg screwed up a quote on page 2 and everyone that quoted that perpetuates the bad coding for that quote thread. Usually it's sailingfun!

My bad!

So many buttons!