Profit Sharing
09-28-2017, 01:25 PM
#91
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So you're saying that next time you'll take a 20% pay cut (instead of 40%) and all your 4 crew trips cut to 3 pilots, and the 3 crew trips cut to 2 pilots? (I know...there's FARs, but pretend those don't exist for a minute). Then, raise your schedule values to 90-100 hours 6 months out of the year. Is that what you're saying?
Congrats on the profit sharing increase! Very well deserved.
09-28-2017, 02:20 PM
#92
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Someone on the 4th floor is reading this thread and laughing their Aztec off.
Congrats on the raise non cons. Now start putting those acorns away. Winter is coming. It always does.
Congrats on the raise non cons. Now start putting those acorns away. Winter is coming. It always does.
09-28-2017, 03:06 PM
#93
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Like i said....you are looking in the wrong place for comparisons.
And as you cite.....delta fas have likely fared far better thru the economic storm than cba fa groups.
What cba fa group post bk was able to negotiate the now restored ps compensation component?
I think you would be shocked to see the kinds of hours pilots are working post bankruptcy.
Btw....are you also for a mandatory fa retirement age?
And physicals every 6mos to keep your job?
And as you cite.....delta fas have likely fared far better thru the economic storm than cba fa groups.
What cba fa group post bk was able to negotiate the now restored ps compensation component?
I think you would be shocked to see the kinds of hours pilots are working post bankruptcy.
Btw....are you also for a mandatory fa retirement age?
And physicals every 6mos to keep your job?
Mandatory fa retirement age? No. Yearly physicals at recurrent training, absolutely! Including a short psychological evaluation. You might think some are crazy but I get to work with some of them for 8-10 hours at a time so absolutely!
09-28-2017, 03:08 PM
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You know.. This comparison of pilots to fas isnt wat you should be lookng at.
You should be examing the relative circumstance through bankruptcy of legacy fas that DID have a cba.
Particularly in the area of retirement. My money is Delta fas did and continue to outperform those fas that had representation by an incompetent and actuarily retatded afl-cio cba.
But thats just my take.....listening to an afa represented ex wife fa.
You should be examing the relative circumstance through bankruptcy of legacy fas that DID have a cba.
Particularly in the area of retirement. My money is Delta fas did and continue to outperform those fas that had representation by an incompetent and actuarily retatded afl-cio cba.
But thats just my take.....listening to an afa represented ex wife fa.
09-28-2017, 03:10 PM
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Per the MIT data Flight attendants are up 22.5% from 2004 wages and compensation while pilots are up 20.5% in real dollars. This doesn't account for profit sharing or pension loss. (not freeze) In real total value pilots are still below 2004, however FAs are well above. The companies steady improvements (being timely just in front of bad comparables) is your problem, not pilot involvement or lack of.
Delta FAs have always done well with the real threat of a union. If they actually get one, that goes away. ALPA negotiated most of the benefits FAs enjoy without the expense and politics of a union. That's just a reality, not a complaint.
Delta FAs have always done well with the real threat of a union. If they actually get one, that goes away. ALPA negotiated most of the benefits FAs enjoy without the expense and politics of a union. That's just a reality, not a complaint.
09-28-2017, 03:10 PM
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09-28-2017, 03:16 PM
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You're stating what is very much a personal opinion bordering on an outright non sequitur, and then providing a closed option of 3 opinion based choices as the only possible outcomes, all of which "prove" your point. But even taking your word for the (likely very small and infrequent) event in question (of which I've never seen or heard of until now) how many of the 20,000 FA group even saw such an event, much less who were then moved by it in that direction?
I frequently read how DALPA doesn't act like a union...rather just an association. This is just another aspect of that is true. I remember a few years ago when the ramp agents at Continental were trying to join Teamsters and they had a rally at Newark and ALPA was out in force right next to them supporting them. Meanwhile at Delta our pilots go to anti-union rallies. Talk about things being fu**** up.
Btw: Teamsters isn't even AFL-CIO. Both AFA and IAM are.
09-28-2017, 03:43 PM
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09-28-2017, 06:28 PM
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The last vote was decided by 165 swing votes (49.1% to 50.9%). One can easily make the argument that the lack of support from Delta pilots (even DALPA) had quite the impact. There were obviously other factors but this is one factor that could have swayed 165 (out of 20,000+) into either voting in favor of representation or abstaining.
I frequently read how DALPA doesn't act like a union...rather just an association. This is just another aspect of that is true. I remember a few years ago when the ramp agents at Continental were trying to join Teamsters and they had a rally at Newark and ALPA was out in force right next to them supporting them. Meanwhile at Delta our pilots go to anti-union rallies. Talk about things being fu**** up.
Btw: Teamsters isn't even AFL-CIO. Both AFA and IAM are.
I frequently read how DALPA doesn't act like a union...rather just an association. This is just another aspect of that is true. I remember a few years ago when the ramp agents at Continental were trying to join Teamsters and they had a rally at Newark and ALPA was out in force right next to them supporting them. Meanwhile at Delta our pilots go to anti-union rallies. Talk about things being fu**** up.
Btw: Teamsters isn't even AFL-CIO. Both AFA and IAM are.
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