Profit Sharing
09-27-2017, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
Would you like pictures of unionized Delta pilots in uniform at anti-union rallies holding anti-union signs? I can provide that if you'd like...
Just as I can provide pictures of flight attendants at Delta pilots contract rallies holding ALPA picket signs and supporting you guys.
Just as I can provide pictures of flight attendants at Delta pilots contract rallies holding ALPA picket signs and supporting you guys.
09-27-2017, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
And the pilots negotiated and paid for the entire PS plan to begin with. All while taking disproportionate cuts compared to most if not all other groups.
Not to mention also paying for and negotiating 100% of the scope that results in preventing even more outsourcing of other work groups jobs.
Not to mention also paying for and negotiating 100% of the scope that results in preventing even more outsourcing of other work groups jobs.
SLC cargo was completely outsourced. No more DL agents at all. And TOC has been outsourcing maintenance (yup, mechanics) for a couple years now.
I you were interested in maybe learning a little about other work groups, I'd feel sorry for your "sacrifice". But you seem content with your smugness up on the pedestal.
09-27-2017, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
Uh, if you want to I guess. As I said, you have my support. But my support won't get you across the finish line unless you can get your fellow FAs to organize.
09-27-2017, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by USF813
Non-contract employees took a 10% pay cut on 1/1/05 and another 4.93% on 11/1/05 (I'm looking at my salary history). On 12/1/15, more than a decade later, it was nearly restored with a 14.48% raise. I can assure you, a 14.93% paycut places burdens on some employees that you may not be aware of up on the pedestal. And none of our raises resulted in five digit retro pay.
SLC cargo was completely outsourced. No more DL agents at all. And TOC has been outsourcing maintenance (yup, mechanics) for a couple years now.
I you were interested in maybe learning a little about other work groups, I'd feel sorry for your "sacrifice". But you seem content with your smugness up on the pedestal.
SLC cargo was completely outsourced. No more DL agents at all. And TOC has been outsourcing maintenance (yup, mechanics) for a couple years now.
I you were interested in maybe learning a little about other work groups, I'd feel sorry for your "sacrifice". But you seem content with your smugness up on the pedestal.
While everyone took pay cuts, well...except a select few in executive suites at the GO, it hurt some more then others.
Having your pay cut from $200,000 to $120,000 is a big hit...but guess what...you can still live on that comfortably. We had employees commit suicide because their home was being foreclosed, couldn't afford their medication, and car repossessed etc.
Again, not trying to justify any of it but when you're making $40,000 per year and you drop to $30,000...even tho it's 25% compared to your 40%...it hurts quite a bit more.
09-27-2017, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by USF813
Non-contract employees took a 10% pay cut on 1/1/05 and another 4.93% on 11/1/05 (I'm looking at my salary history). On 12/1/15, more than a decade later, it was nearly restored with a 14.48% raise. I can assure you, a 14.93% paycut places burdens on some employees that you may not be aware of up on the pedestal. And none of our raises resulted in five digit retro pay.
SLC cargo was completely outsourced. No more DL agents at all. And TOC has been outsourcing maintenance (yup, mechanics) for a couple years now.
I you were interested in maybe learning a little about other work groups, I'd feel sorry for your "sacrifice". But you seem content with your smugness up on the pedestal.
SLC cargo was completely outsourced. No more DL agents at all. And TOC has been outsourcing maintenance (yup, mechanics) for a couple years now.
I you were interested in maybe learning a little about other work groups, I'd feel sorry for your "sacrifice". But you seem content with your smugness up on the pedestal.
09-27-2017, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
Having your pay cut from $200,000 to $120,000 is a big hit...but guess what...you can still live on that comfortably. We had employees commit suicide because their home was being foreclosed, couldn't afford their medication, and car repossessed etc.
09-27-2017, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by USF813
I you were interested in maybe learning a little about other work groups, I'd feel sorry for your "sacrifice". But you seem content with your smugness up on the pedestal.
No stones here, just sayin': One should not expect widespread empathy toward other employee groups on a pilot specific forum. While I am confident that sympathy is there among most pilots--empathy, too, as most of us struggled on our path--the forum is a place to gripe, moan, and b!tch.
Logbook endorsements for this privilege are forthcoming.
And congrats to the other employee groups who are following along!!! Be sure to thank all pilots for rejecting TA2015.
09-27-2017, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
The April 2015 pay increase was 3% and the April 207 pay increase was 6%. I just double checked on DLNET.
BTW, I'm glad to see the entire boat rising. Let's all remember (union member or not), who the opponent is - it's the party wasting billions on stock buybacks and oil hedges while outsourcing away an increasing number of Delta jobs.
09-27-2017, 12:29 PM
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And for selfishly contributing 2% income to their collective bargaining agents so you could eventually get the PS they negotiated for while contributing zero
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09-27-2017, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify
OK, thanks. My interest on the topic deals with DALPA's historic insistence on "we have to give something to get something" mantra. It's pretty interesting that a large employee group can get a 23.5% pay raise over a 2 year period and not have to bargain away something to get that. Initially, one could argue that a portion of profit sharing was taken, but now that argument won't stand either. Hope our NC is taking notes.
BTW, I'm glad to see the entire boat rising. Let's all remember (union member or not), who the opponent is - it's the party wasting billions on stock buybacks and oil hedges while outsourcing away an increasing number of Delta jobs.
BTW, I'm glad to see the entire boat rising. Let's all remember (union member or not), who the opponent is - it's the party wasting billions on stock buybacks and oil hedges while outsourcing away an increasing number of Delta jobs.
There's 2 major factors that play into the compensation of Delta non-contract employees.
1. The status of a union organizing campaign
2. What the pilots negotiate
As much as ALPA doesn't represent other groups, it certainly negotiates for them at least in part.
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