CBreezy

Why would I donate my money to McDonald's? I don't work for nor do I make money off of McD's. So now that that's cleared up...if one group of labor gets extra pay based on how successful the company is, I think it is only fair if every group of labor gets the same percentage. Whining that it's not fair that a coworker had their fair percentage of profit sharing reinstated makes you selfish.

DALFA

The collective bargaining agreement was signed and paid retroactively to the first day of the amendable date which was Jan 1 2016. The non-contract employees received a 14.5% increase effective December 1 2015 but then didn't receive any increase in 2016. Non-contract employees received a 3% increase on April 1 2015 but Delta pilots also received an increase on Jan 1 2015. Either way you look at it...the Delta pilots come out ahead. Not to mention that Delta pilots maintained the full profit sharing for 2 years while non-contract employees saw roughly a 40-50% reduction in profit sharing.

trustbutverify

The non-cons' pay raises for the period from spring 2015 to spring/summer 2017 is interesting to me. I thought the raise in spring 2015 was 4% (but you said 3% so I'll have to go with that), followed closely by the 14.5%, then 7% (?) this past spring. Is that correct?

gloopy

Its irrelevant to compare pilot raise percentage to noncon raise percentages without also comparing where those respective groups are relative to pre bk rates.

gloopy

And the pilots negotiated and paid for the entire PS plan to begin with. All while taking disproportionate cuts compared to most if not all other groups.

Not to mention also paying for and negotiating 100% of the scope that results in preventing even more outsourcing of other work groups jobs.

Sputnik

Ahhh... That's the part I was missing. Obviously. Thanks

Also, I support ya'll unionizing, as do most pilots I talk to. The only folks I've seen with an-union stuff are your fellow FAs.

DALFA

Pilots suffered a bigger percentage in cuts during bankruptcy because on the in-flight side staffing was also cut and because of the raises pilots achieved with C2000. For example, staffing on the 767-300 went from a base of 9 to a base of 7 flight attendants with 1 additional F/A based on load factors.

So while only your earnings went down, for those on the in-flight side we had earnings go down and work load go up considerably.

Also, in-flight didn't receive ANY raises after 9/11...whereas pilots received pay raises until 2004.

According to the MIT airline data study the average pilot salary at Delta went from $150,000 in 2000 to $209,000 in 2004. In 2006 it dropped to $127,000 and in 2016 it was reported at $228,000. So from 2000 to 2004 it increased by 39.3%, it then dropped by 39.3% in 2006 and finally increased by 79.5% since. The difference from 2000 to 2016 is a 52% increase in average salary for pilots.

According to that same study the average flight attendant salary at Delta went from $39,000 in 2000 to $45,000 in 2004. In 2006 it dropped to $37,000 and in 2016 it was reported at $54,000. So from 2000 to 2004 it increased by 15.3% (compared to 39.3% for pilots), it then dropped by 17.8% (compared to 39.3% for pilots) in 2006 and finally increased by 45.9% (compared to 79.5% for pilots) in 2016.

Difference from 2000 to 2016?

Pilots + 52%
Flight Attendants + 38.4%

Also consider that the number of pilots per aircraft was 7.6 in 2000 and it is 7.4 pilots per aircraft today. The number of flight attendants per aircraft in 2000 was 8.3 and today it's 6.8 which represents a 19% decrease.

DALFA

Would you like pictures of unionized Delta pilots in uniform at anti-union rallies holding anti-union signs? I can provide that if you'd like...

Just as I can provide pictures of flight attendants at Delta pilots contract rallies holding ALPA picket signs and supporting you guys.

DALFA

The April 2015 pay increase was 3% and the April 207 pay increase was 6%. I just double checked on DLNET.

Sputnik

As I said, I was fine with it. Now that I know it has zero effect on my compensation, I'm even more fine than when I thought it was coming out of my share. I guess that's whining.

Fair is irrelevant, what matters is what you can negotiate. The pilots negotiated for we have. Those that don't care to unionize got theirs taken away. And now that everyone realizes the pilots have a better deal, they are getting it back. You're welcome.

Being called selfish by an anonymous internet poster doesn't upset me, you can call me whatever you want. You may consider that name-calling is not a very effective way of getting someone to change their mind about something, but have it.