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11-09-2017, 07:45 AM
#41
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20 years too late?
Ya, thats about par for the dalpa course.
After the 96 contract where management, with dalpas agreement, reniged on the contractually provided retirement benefits for a substantial part of our list....at least a few people woke up to what what was being shoveled.
The mpp was far from adequate or even prudent as a retirement vehicle. But at least it wasnt entirely foolish.
Idk how anyone could have experienced the last amendment process and not come away with a significant attitude of scepticism about what we are fed as line pilots....and about how much faith we should place in any guarantees or statement of certainty issued by agents of our cba.
As my old man used to tell me...use your head. Its not just there as a hat rack.
Ya, thats about par for the dalpa course.
After the 96 contract where management, with dalpas agreement, reniged on the contractually provided retirement benefits for a substantial part of our list....at least a few people woke up to what what was being shoveled.
The mpp was far from adequate or even prudent as a retirement vehicle. But at least it wasnt entirely foolish.
Idk how anyone could have experienced the last amendment process and not come away with a significant attitude of scepticism about what we are fed as line pilots....and about how much faith we should place in any guarantees or statement of certainty issued by agents of our cba.
As my old man used to tell me...use your head. Its not just there as a hat rack.
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11-09-2017, 08:09 AM
#42
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You know swap with friends was also touted as a qol improvement.
Maybe. But when it was turned on in my category every month the open time mysteriously evaporated. Investigating revealed the swap with friends was being used to trip park...raid open time...and then unpark the original trip.
This allowed 100+ hour months to be flown at straight pay.
In a IBT shop...that could cost you a kneecap. At a minimum it diluted the value of the craft. And it certainly abrogated senority and economically damaged all pilots.
So appearing at a lec meeting...evidence in hand...the dalpa scheduling expert who was of late on the negotiating committee....declared 'aw, that cant happen.'
Uhhh...it did and was.
Base trades may be worth a probationary trial. But to do so discounting there will be unintended consequences and/or abuses is to repeat our mistakes.
Maybe. But when it was turned on in my category every month the open time mysteriously evaporated. Investigating revealed the swap with friends was being used to trip park...raid open time...and then unpark the original trip.
This allowed 100+ hour months to be flown at straight pay.
In a IBT shop...that could cost you a kneecap. At a minimum it diluted the value of the craft. And it certainly abrogated senority and economically damaged all pilots.
So appearing at a lec meeting...evidence in hand...the dalpa scheduling expert who was of late on the negotiating committee....declared 'aw, that cant happen.'
Uhhh...it did and was.
Base trades may be worth a probationary trial. But to do so discounting there will be unintended consequences and/or abuses is to repeat our mistakes.
11-09-2017, 08:39 AM
#44
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,273
Originally Posted by BobZ
You know swap with friends was also touted as a qol improvement.
Maybe. But when it was turned on in my category every month the open time mysteriously evaporated. Investigating revealed the swap with friends was being used to trip park...raid open time...and then unpark the original trip.
This allowed 100+ hour months to be flown at straight pay.
In a IBT shop...that could cost you a kneecap. At a minimum it diluted the value of the craft. And it certainly abrogated senority and economically damaged all pilots.
So appearing at a lec meeting...evidence in hand...the dalpa scheduling expert who was of late on the negotiating committee....declared 'aw, that cant happen.'
Uhhh...it did and was.
Base trades may be worth a probationary trial. But to do so discounting there will be unintended consequences and/or abuses is to repeat our mistakes.
Maybe. But when it was turned on in my category every month the open time mysteriously evaporated. Investigating revealed the swap with friends was being used to trip park...raid open time...and then unpark the original trip.
This allowed 100+ hour months to be flown at straight pay.
In a IBT shop...that could cost you a kneecap. At a minimum it diluted the value of the craft. And it certainly abrogated senority and economically damaged all pilots.
So appearing at a lec meeting...evidence in hand...the dalpa scheduling expert who was of late on the negotiating committee....declared 'aw, that cant happen.'
Uhhh...it did and was.
Base trades may be worth a probationary trial. But to do so discounting there will be unintended consequences and/or abuses is to repeat our mistakes.
11-09-2017, 09:26 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Bob and I don't agree on many things but his post is spot on. The swap board cost us jobs. Lots of them!
It's just another tool to increase pilot flexibility in a busy world, just like other tools we have. I've already picked up two trips, and dropped one for November via the Swapboard. I've also dropped two trips via PCS personal drops, leaving me currently at 52 hrs.
So long as there are sufficient restrictions to ensure that the swap board is just another tool, and not a vehicle for buddies making an "end around" of the contract I like it.
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11-09-2017, 09:43 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
I don't agree with swapping base to base, but I find the current setup, which now has restrictions to prevent the trip parking nonsense, to be very good.
It's just another tool to increase pilot flexibility in a busy world, just like other tools we have. I've already picked up two trips, and dropped one for November via the Swapboard. I've also dropped two trips via PCS personal drops, leaving me currently at 52 hrs.
So long as there are sufficient restrictions to ensure that the swap board is just another tool, and not a vehicle for buddies making an "end around" of the contract I like it.
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It's just another tool to increase pilot flexibility in a busy world, just like other tools we have. I've already picked up two trips, and dropped one for November via the Swapboard. I've also dropped two trips via PCS personal drops, leaving me currently at 52 hrs.
So long as there are sufficient restrictions to ensure that the swap board is just another tool, and not a vehicle for buddies making an "end around" of the contract I like it.
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Has trip parking indeed been restricted? Or was it just made more difficult with a few extra steps thrown in?
Scoop
11-09-2017, 09:46 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Has trip parking indeed been restricted? Or was it just made more difficult with a few extra steps thrown in?
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11-09-2017, 09:57 AM
#48
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Has trip parking indeed been restricted? Or was it just made more difficult with a few extra steps thrown in?
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11-09-2017, 06:35 PM
#50
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Originally Posted by Go Cards go
I realize that. You bid vacation based on your category as of January 31st. So take a swap to NYC for January and then swap back out once vacation bidding is done. Of course you’re less likely to do that if you’ll have to wait for an AE to bid back out.
With base swaps you lose your awarded vacation weeks and pick from what's available in the new base. With the previous system, if you swapped into a base during the bidding process, you wait till it's over and then choose from the leftovers. You can't bring vacations with you.
Where is the slippery slope here? If it is somehow being abused, add restrictions or get rid of it.
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