100 321 NEO Order
#191
Now can you admit you were wrong earlier in the thread, or will you continue to shift the goal posts when you don't like the results?
#192
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I am not sure what part your discussing. It does not have the thrust wing or performance of a 757.
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Your example of being denied a JS CLT-west coast due to "performance" was conveniently vague (you did not mention that it wasn't even a DAL flight, thus implying that the 321 is so performance-limited that even DAL sorts can't get the JS on their own metal).
When even a current AA Bus captain chimed in with some doubts, then you shifted the conversation to 757 stuff.
No one is claiming that the 321 or anything else can equal the 757 in all performance realms. Neither are there significant RJ-esque performance and JS limitations, however, especially for the markets we will be serving. You seemed to imply that there were.
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#196
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No one is claiming that the 321 or anything else can equal the 757 in all performance realms./QUOTE]
Except, yes, some are. And let's just put that ridiculous notion to rest. The 40 year old prototype 757 that NASA still operates is a more capable aircraft in every respect than the most pimped-out GTF 321 that exists even on paper. The 321 is a reflection of the economic realism that has replaced the romanticism and adventurous spirit of the early airline industry. The 757 still has some of that cowboy get-the-job-done over-engineering. It was to replace the freaking bullet proof 727 after all. The NEO seems to be a nice jet. The CEO is perfect for ATL. But... I honestly thought we'd be supersonic Jr. astronauts by 2020.. that was the trend. Our uncles played golf on the MFing moon.
No one is claiming that the 321 or anything else can equal the 757 in all performance realms./QUOTE]
Except, yes, some are. And let's just put that ridiculous notion to rest. The 40 year old prototype 757 that NASA still operates is a more capable aircraft in every respect than the most pimped-out GTF 321 that exists even on paper. The 321 is a reflection of the economic realism that has replaced the romanticism and adventurous spirit of the early airline industry. The 757 still has some of that cowboy get-the-job-done over-engineering. It was to replace the freaking bullet proof 727 after all. The NEO seems to be a nice jet. The CEO is perfect for ATL. But... I honestly thought we'd be supersonic Jr. astronauts by 2020.. that was the trend. Our uncles played golf on the MFing moon.
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#197
Except, yes, some are. And let's just put that ridiculous notion to rest. The prototype 757 that NASA still operates is a more capable aircraft in every respect than the most pimped-out GTF 321 that exists even on paper. The 321 is a reflection of the economic realism that has replaced the romanticism and adventurous spirit of the early airline industry. The NEO seems to be a nice jet. The CEO is perfect for ATL. But... I honestly thought we'd be supersonic Jr. astronauts by 2020.. that was the trend. Our uncles played golf on the MFing moon.
What people are saying (correctly) is that the 321NEO is the closest thing to 757 performance that is being produced.
#198
Can you find a quote where someone said the 321 will match the 757 in performance? I've looked through the entire thread, and sailingfun seems to be the only one stuck on that... plus continually when he is called out for saying something wrong can't own up to it, but just doubles down further.
What people are saying (correctly) is that the 321NEO is the closest thing to 757 performance that is being produced.
What people are saying (correctly) is that the 321NEO is the closest thing to 757 performance that is being produced.
Good, the 321 is superior to anything boeing makes in that category. Maybe Southwest will buy some more of those ****ty 737s.
And...
Well, considering they only sold about 1000 757s and 3700 A321s and the Neo is just getting started. .. I think you can say that the 757 doesn't hold a candle to the 321s where it matters.
And:
headrest!!
The A321 can be stretched to cover the MOM segment, with the engine that Delta is now the MRO for. Neither a reissued 757 or 737 can meet takeoff certification requirements, without sacrificing fuel economy in this market, thus requiring a entirely new designed 797. I don't know if it makes financial sense for Delta to buy the 797, when these 100 options can be converted to an A321neo stretch with the volume discount. Obviously, more than just 75 Cseries are coming as well, so it's going to be all Airbii for a while.
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Good, the 321 is superior to anything boeing makes in that category. Maybe Southwest will buy some more of those ****ty 737s.
And...
Well, considering they only sold about 1000 757s and 3700 A321s and the Neo is just getting started. .. I think you can say that the 757 doesn't hold a candle to the 321s where it matters.
Good, the 321 is superior to anything boeing makes in that category. Maybe Southwest will buy some more of those ****ty 737s.
And...
Well, considering they only sold about 1000 757s and 3700 A321s and the Neo is just getting started. .. I think you can say that the 757 doesn't hold a candle to the 321s where it matters.
The second is not about performance but about units sold (poking fun at sailingfun in his incessant doubling down actually).
Do you agree?
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He's not claiming anything of the sort. However you took an "outlier" example to imply that there are serious 321 performance issues, when that's really not the case.
Your example of being denied a JS CLT-west coast due to "performance" was conveniently vague (you did not mention that it wasn't even a DAL flight, thus implying that the 321 is so performance-limited that even DAL sorts can't get the JS on their own metal).
When even a current AA Bus captain chimed in with some doubts, then you shifted the conversation to 757 stuff.
No one is claiming that the 321 or anything else can equal the 757 in all performance realms. Neither are there significant RJ-esque performance and JS limitations, however, especially for the markets we will be serving. You seemed to imply that there were.
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Your example of being denied a JS CLT-west coast due to "performance" was conveniently vague (you did not mention that it wasn't even a DAL flight, thus implying that the 321 is so performance-limited that even DAL sorts can't get the JS on their own metal).
When even a current AA Bus captain chimed in with some doubts, then you shifted the conversation to 757 stuff.
No one is claiming that the 321 or anything else can equal the 757 in all performance realms. Neither are there significant RJ-esque performance and JS limitations, however, especially for the markets we will be serving. You seemed to imply that there were.
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