100 321 NEO Order
#202
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Good, the 321 is superior to anything boeing makes in that category. Maybe Southwest will buy some more of those ****ty 737s.
And...
Well, considering they only sold about 1000 757s and 3700 A321s and the Neo is just getting started. .. I think you can say that the 757 doesn't hold a candle to the 321s where it matters.
And:
headrest!!
The A321 can be stretched to cover the MOM segment, with the engine that Delta is now the MRO for. Neither a reissued 757 or 737 can meet takeoff certification requirements, without sacrificing fuel economy in this market, thus requiring a entirely new designed 797. I don't know if it makes financial sense for Delta to buy the 797, when these 100 options can be converted to an A321neo stretch with the volume discount. Obviously, more than just 75 Cseries are coming as well, so it's going to be all Airbii for a while.
Good, the 321 is superior to anything boeing makes in that category. Maybe Southwest will buy some more of those ****ty 737s.
And...
Well, considering they only sold about 1000 757s and 3700 A321s and the Neo is just getting started. .. I think you can say that the 757 doesn't hold a candle to the 321s where it matters.
And:
headrest!!
The A321 can be stretched to cover the MOM segment, with the engine that Delta is now the MRO for. Neither a reissued 757 or 737 can meet takeoff certification requirements, without sacrificing fuel economy in this market, thus requiring a entirely new designed 797. I don't know if it makes financial sense for Delta to buy the 797, when these 100 options can be converted to an A321neo stretch with the volume discount. Obviously, more than just 75 Cseries are coming as well, so it's going to be all Airbii for a while.
#203
Your take on it. As someone who has flown that airplane to the limit of it's capability, all over the world, over 15 years, no, I don't agree. Tired of hearing how the 321 just outpaces the 75. When pushed, the design limitations of the 321 are glaring and obvious. It simply will never be its equal. Everything else is just a compromise. But isn't that where we are now? Ramp staffing, MX, Technology, it's all algorithms and customer feedback to find that perfect dot. The days of carrying fat and gas are over. The 757 represents the pinnacle of that bygone philosophy. Overbuilt to take whatever the world throws at it. Pretty nice if you are a pilot.
#205
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Side note: Did you notice the blurb in there on Polish Wizzair? Wow, thats a huge order! They werent even flying 15 years ago, and here they are with 88 jets and 280+ on order. Their A321NEOs have more seats than our 757-300 of which they have 184 on order. Thats a big threat to the European local theater. How long till they try and cross the Atlantic?
#206
Your take on it. As someone who has flown that airplane to the limit of it's capability, all over the world, over 15 years, no, I don't agree. Tired of hearing how the 321 just outpaces the 75. When pushed, the design limitations of the 321 are glaring and obvious. It simply will never be its equal. Everything else is just a compromise. But isn't that where we are now? Ramp staffing, MX, Technology, it's all algorithms and customer feedback to find that perfect dot. The days of carrying fat and gas are over. The 757 represents the pinnacle of that bygone philosophy. Overbuilt to take whatever the world throws at it. Pretty nice if you are a pilot.
I loved flying the 757 and hate so much that Boeing shut down that line, but for the reasons that you stated, it's not a thing anymore.
#207
When you are flying that dot on the flight director on the 321, you are actualizing some accountants wet dream. Climbing over a line of weather, landing on a short runway max brakes, high and hot performance, ETOPS redundancy, kicking over a huge rudder in a crosswind, low speed stability, over-winged at altitude when you hit mountain wave... that's my idea of a good time.
#208
When you are flying that dot on the flight director on the 321, you are actualizing some accountants wet dream. Climbing over a line of weather, landing on a short runway max brakes, high and hot performance, ETOPS redundancy, kicking over a huge rudder in a crosswind, low speed stability, over-winged at altitude when you hit mountain wave... that's my idea of a good time.
That's narrow.
And no speed tapes to show you if you're over winged.
And just 1 JS.
#209
The CSeries really took the best of both worlds. Moved it all forward.
#210
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No one here disagrees about the performance of the 321 compared to the 757. It's just the closest thing produced today comparable to the 757. With the further enhancements it's gotten closer and closer, thus the massive sales numbers.
I loved flying the 757 and hate so much that Boeing shut down that line, but for the reasons that you stated, it's not a thing anymore.
I loved flying the 757 and hate so much that Boeing shut down that line, but for the reasons that you stated, it's not a thing anymore.
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