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Old 01-18-2018, 12:09 PM
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:16 PM
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Good, the 321 is superior to anything boeing makes in that category. Maybe Southwest will buy some more of those ****ty 737s.

And...
Well, considering they only sold about 1000 757s and 3700 A321s and the Neo is just getting started. .. I think you can say that the 757 doesn't hold a candle to the 321s where it matters.

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The A321 can be stretched to cover the MOM segment, with the engine that Delta is now the MRO for. Neither a reissued 757 or 737 can meet takeoff certification requirements, without sacrificing fuel economy in this market, thus requiring a entirely new designed 797. I don't know if it makes financial sense for Delta to buy the 797, when these 100 options can be converted to an A321neo stretch with the volume discount. Obviously, more than just 75 Cseries are coming as well, so it's going to be all Airbii for a while.
The A321 is a great airframe. It’s not going to be a great airframe across the pond. Airbus has actually sold 1600 hundred or so total A321’s not 3700. They do have orders and options for around 3700 counting the 1600 already sold. The 757 is marginal across the pound and the 321 will be even more challenged. It is fun however listening to the UAL guys racing each other into Gander to see who can get gas first when all their 757’s are making a fuel stop. The Canadians will make some money off the A321.
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
The first quote is about what is currently being produced.

The second is not about performance but about units sold (poking fun at sailingfun in his incessant doubling down actually).

Do you agree?
Your take on it. As someone who has flown that airplane to the limit of it's capability, all over the world, over 15 years, no, I don't agree. Tired of hearing how the 321 just outpaces the 75. When pushed, the design limitations of the 321 are glaring and obvious. It simply will never be its equal. Everything else is just a compromise. But isn't that where we are now? Ramp staffing, MX, Technology, it's all algorithms and customer feedback to find that perfect dot. The days of carrying fat and gas are over. The 757 represents the pinnacle of that bygone philosophy. Overbuilt to take whatever the world throws at it. Pretty nice if you are a pilot.
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:23 PM
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Nearly 4x the sales sailing. Money talks doesn't it?
I'll quote this again. Just for fun.
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:24 PM
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Side note: Did you notice the blurb in there on Polish Wizzair? Wow, thats a huge order! They werent even flying 15 years ago, and here they are with 88 jets and 280+ on order. Their A321NEOs have more seats than our 757-300 of which they have 184 on order. Thats a big threat to the European local theater. How long till they try and cross the Atlantic?
They already are crossing the Atlantic in them.
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite View Post
Your take on it. As someone who has flown that airplane to the limit of it's capability, all over the world, over 15 years, no, I don't agree. Tired of hearing how the 321 just outpaces the 75. When pushed, the design limitations of the 321 are glaring and obvious. It simply will never be its equal. Everything else is just a compromise. But isn't that where we are now? Ramp staffing, MX, Technology, it's all algorithms and customer feedback to find that perfect dot. The days of carrying fat and gas are over. The 757 represents the pinnacle of that bygone philosophy. Overbuilt to take whatever the world throws at it. Pretty nice if you are a pilot.
No one here disagrees about the performance of the 321 compared to the 757. It's just the closest thing produced today comparable to the 757. With the further enhancements it's gotten closer and closer, thus the massive sales numbers.

I loved flying the 757 and hate so much that Boeing shut down that line, but for the reasons that you stated, it's not a thing anymore.
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:35 PM
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I'll quote this again. Just for fun.
When you are flying that dot on the flight director on the 321, you are actualizing some accountants wet dream. Climbing over a line of weather, landing on a short runway max brakes, high and hot performance, ETOPS redundancy, kicking over a huge rudder in a crosswind, low speed stability, over-winged at altitude when you hit mountain wave... that's my idea of a good time.
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Originally Posted by flyallnite View Post
When you are flying that dot on the flight director on the 321, you are actualizing some accountants wet dream. Climbing over a line of weather, landing on a short runway max brakes, high and hot performance, ETOPS redundancy, kicking over a huge rudder in a crosswind, low speed stability, over-winged at altitude when you hit mountain wave... that's my idea of a good time.
In a old jet.

That's narrow.

And no speed tapes to show you if you're over winged.

And just 1 JS.
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In a old jet.

That's narrow.

And no speed tapes to show you if you're over winged.

And just 1 JS.
2 JS's in the TWA birds. And always 2 extra FA seats. The wings are good into the mid-50's. That was before they added the winglets. It's the motors/pressure diff. that limit the altitude. The Rolls are better, I hear...never flew them on that jet. Yeah, it's old now.

The CSeries really took the best of both worlds. Moved it all forward.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
No one here disagrees about the performance of the 321 compared to the 757. It's just the closest thing produced today comparable to the 757. With the further enhancements it's gotten closer and closer, thus the massive sales numbers.

I loved flying the 757 and hate so much that Boeing shut down that line, but for the reasons that you stated, it's not a thing anymore.
Pratt has a new GTF engine coming out in 2020, and if Airbus does the work, with a new wing, and new materials in key areas, they could exceed the 757. The technology is mature enough to get there, where it wasn't just a few years ago, and by all indication, Airbus is already working on doing that.
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