There goes $50 million.
03-02-2018, 04:57 PM
#71
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Originally Posted by Extenda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtGOQFf9VCE
I own firearms. I consider myself in about the middle of the political spectrum. This video is extremely worrying to me. If it isn't a direct call to incite violence, it's pretty close. Who is "they"? Me? My hippy left wing neighbor next door who I invite over for football games and who's just as American as me?
I always thought the NRA was supposed to be about firearm safety, firearm education courses, hunting safety, etc. Not really trying to prove a point, just food for thought...
I own firearms. I consider myself in about the middle of the political spectrum. This video is extremely worrying to me. If it isn't a direct call to incite violence, it's pretty close. Who is "they"? Me? My hippy left wing neighbor next door who I invite over for football games and who's just as American as me?
I always thought the NRA was supposed to be about firearm safety, firearm education courses, hunting safety, etc. Not really trying to prove a point, just food for thought...
03-02-2018, 05:11 PM
#72
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
So, about everything your wrote is wrong.
Every State with an aviation hub has a similar tax break and as you know the State already enjoys collecting sales tax and a portion of facility fees based on passenger enplanements.
The fuel tax applies to everyone and will effect Southwest also.
What should be considered is that Georgia's taxes now result in the tax burden, per passenger, being about 250% of what American enjoys over in Charlotte, NC.
You should also recall North Carolina's bathroom bill which American came out firmly against. The Legislators threw a hissy fit, but had sufficient control of their emotions not to shoot their golden goose in retribution.
In Delta's case, the NRA was using Delta's logo in promotional materials. Delta has absolute control over their logo and right to use it (even if only 13 tickets were ever sold under the program).
The irony of this action stands out:
There are already calls for criminal investigation of Casey Cagle. When does a campaign contribution from the NRA become a bribe?
To the extent that Delta becomes more efficient than it's competitors through fleet renewal this cost increase becomes an advantage. However, making Georgia an expensive place to fly benefits Charlotte and other competing hubs
Every State with an aviation hub has a similar tax break and as you know the State already enjoys collecting sales tax and a portion of facility fees based on passenger enplanements.
The fuel tax applies to everyone and will effect Southwest also.
What should be considered is that Georgia's taxes now result in the tax burden, per passenger, being about 250% of what American enjoys over in Charlotte, NC.
You should also recall North Carolina's bathroom bill which American came out firmly against. The Legislators threw a hissy fit, but had sufficient control of their emotions not to shoot their golden goose in retribution.
In Delta's case, the NRA was using Delta's logo in promotional materials. Delta has absolute control over their logo and right to use it (even if only 13 tickets were ever sold under the program).
The irony of this action stands out:
- Citizens United was a decision which supported the right-wing position that Corporations have the same free speech rights as individuals. Compelling speech is a violation of the First Amendment. Ostensibly conservatives respect the Constitution
- The Democrats were for the gas tax and the Republicans against
- The tax is anti-corporate
- The tax is government meddling in the free market
- The tax attacks about 100,000 Georgia workers in aviation (far from just being a Delta thing)
- Georgia Republicans used public money to try to intimidate a corporation (or Citizen as Citizens United would have you believe)
There are already calls for criminal investigation of Casey Cagle. When does a campaign contribution from the NRA become a bribe?
To the extent that Delta becomes more efficient than it's competitors through fleet renewal this cost increase becomes an advantage. However, making Georgia an expensive place to fly benefits Charlotte and other competing hubs
Wrong? So delta cant threaten to terminate me for exercising my freedoms to expressing or behaving in ways counter to the managements agenda?
Delta was free at anytime to withold/draw nra involvement...absent contract binders.
State legislatures are also free to grant/not grant economic subsidies.
The timing and reasons for those decisions are also self determined. As is the choice of how and how wide it is announced.
Seems pretty simple to me. Idk....Between being wrong and hysterical...im ok being wrong i guess.
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03-02-2018, 05:12 PM
#73
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Originally Posted by Extenda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtGOQFf9VCE
I own firearms. I consider myself in about the middle of the political spectrum. This video is extremely worrying to me. If it isn't a direct call to incite violence, it's pretty close. Who is "they"? Me? My hippy left wing neighbor next door who I invite over for football games and who's just as American as me?
I always thought the NRA was supposed to be about firearm safety, firearm education courses, hunting safety, etc. Not really trying to prove a point, just food for thought...
I own firearms. I consider myself in about the middle of the political spectrum. This video is extremely worrying to me. If it isn't a direct call to incite violence, it's pretty close. Who is "they"? Me? My hippy left wing neighbor next door who I invite over for football games and who's just as American as me?
I always thought the NRA was supposed to be about firearm safety, firearm education courses, hunting safety, etc. Not really trying to prove a point, just food for thought...
Unfortunately we have small minds on all sides of every debate. And with less and less actual face-to-face socialization with people that don't look or think exactly like yourself, I fear we're on a dangerous vector in this country.
03-02-2018, 05:22 PM
#74
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Originally Posted by Flyinhigh
You mean like the lobbyists that United and Delta and every other company employ to influence legislation in their favor?
03-02-2018, 05:27 PM
#75
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Originally Posted by deadseal
Why? Explain how it’s ok for a government entity to get involved. I would understand discussion over the validity of the tax break, But after it was approved (in house), it’s absolutely horrible.
A lot of people talk about rights. Freedoms. Big government. States rights. Etc etc. The very foundation of why we are all sooooo goddam lucky to be born here. But can you not see this is extortion by a government body to force our airlines to publicly believe what THEY believe???
Delta is a private company. Within the bounds of the law they should be able to say and do anything they want free from tyranny of government. If it’s such a big deal, the public won’t ride on their planes and they will go bankrupt. But that is for the market to decide, NOT government.
All you witnessed here today is public officials crapping on deltas 1st amendment. The very thing you retards with a million guns cry about. The hypocrisy of raving about second amendment rights while simultaneously jumping for joy as delta is punished for the 1st is disgusting. Shame on you.
What if this happened with chick fil lays public discrimination against lgbt. Would you cry havoc? Or do the amendments only mean something to you when it fits your own beliefs. This infringes on all our rights, and it should scare you.
A lot of people talk about rights. Freedoms. Big government. States rights. Etc etc. The very foundation of why we are all sooooo goddam lucky to be born here. But can you not see this is extortion by a government body to force our airlines to publicly believe what THEY believe???
Delta is a private company. Within the bounds of the law they should be able to say and do anything they want free from tyranny of government. If it’s such a big deal, the public won’t ride on their planes and they will go bankrupt. But that is for the market to decide, NOT government.
All you witnessed here today is public officials crapping on deltas 1st amendment. The very thing you retards with a million guns cry about. The hypocrisy of raving about second amendment rights while simultaneously jumping for joy as delta is punished for the 1st is disgusting. Shame on you.
What if this happened with chick fil lays public discrimination against lgbt. Would you cry havoc? Or do the amendments only mean something to you when it fits your own beliefs. This infringes on all our rights, and it should scare you.
Delta is not a private company...
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03-02-2018, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
Delta is not a private company...
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I believe he meant “private” as in non-government, not in the “not publicly traded” sense.
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03-02-2018, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
Delta is not a private company...
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Thanks captain obvious
03-02-2018, 06:25 PM
#78
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Originally Posted by tunes
Delta is not a private company...
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You know when you're being petty.
03-02-2018, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by deadseal
Really? That’s what you have to say? Lolz
Thanks captain obvious
Thanks captain obvious
Well I mean the rest of your post was just a rant.
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03-02-2018, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
Well I mean the rest of your post was just a rant.
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Show me, teach me..... instead of have me immediately dismiss you as not worth my time because you just provided one petty comment that a 12 year old would say, and another comment with no substance. You get 3 tries and you’ve failed on the first 2
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