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Old 08-07-2018, 02:46 PM
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I’m on the committee...
Quite the conundrum, no?
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Old 08-07-2018, 02:49 PM
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Quite the conundrum, no?
The company has the means to punish the abusers. Point being, the subset of people abusing the system is very small. Instead, they prefer the everyone wears diapers approach like sick leave. There are a few FOM policies that are in violation of USERRA. We will not defend someone posting military leave and not being on a military status.
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The company has the means to punish the abusers. Point being, the subset of people abusing the system is very small. Instead, they prefer the everyone wears diapers approach like sick leave. There are a few FOM policies that are in violation of USERRA. We will not defend someone posting military leave and not being on a military status.
I am assuming that by 'the committee' you meant DALPA?
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I am assuming that by 'the committee' you meant DALPA?
Yes...filler
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Old 08-07-2018, 03:09 PM
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Yes...filler
Good for you. Thanks for stepping up. It is an unenviable job for the union guys to have to defend... and make no mistake... you MUST defend... those that cause the rest of us to wear diapers.

Think about that when certain aspects of the contract don't seem reasonable

Of course union guys are all dirtbags just out for the FPL... amiright?
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:12 PM
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What sq is telling you, you have to deploy? Honestly. Over half of the units I know are voluntary and guys take it to avoid first year pay and drop is sparingly so they can hold a line in categories they never could. This isn’t WWII so I’m less than convinced on the patriotic aspect when dudes in the chow hall are deployed to make sure I’m wearing my reflective belt.

I’m not knocking my brothers and sisters serving. Many are doing great things. But USERRA is not meant for this constant BS of a war (wars) we are in. They are conflicts. Again, my opinion. Awaiting inbound spears.
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:44 PM
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What sq is telling you, you have to deploy? Honestly. Over half of the units I know are voluntary and guys take it to avoid first year pay and drop is sparingly so they can hold a line in categories they never could. This isn’t WWII so I’m less than convinced on the patriotic aspect when dudes in the chow hall are deployed to make sure I’m wearing my reflective belt.

I’m not knocking my brothers and sisters serving. Many are doing great things. But USERRA is not meant for this constant BS of a war (wars) we are in. They are conflicts. Again, my opinion. Awaiting inbound spears.
USERRA has nothing to do with war or conflict. It has to do with being a reservist and the necessary time off that might need to happen with your employer.

The rules of the road have long been disregarded and not by delta pilots. It’s something perhaps you shouldn’t think about.

Your views on what constitute a war vice a conflict I do not understand nor do I want too.
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What sq is telling you, you have to deploy? Honestly. Over half of the units I know are voluntary and guys take it to avoid first year pay and drop is sparingly so they can hold a line in categories they never could. This isn’t WWII so I’m less than convinced on the patriotic aspect when dudes in the chow hall are deployed to make sure I’m wearing my reflective belt.



I’m not knocking my brothers and sisters serving. Many are doing great things. But USERRA is not meant for this constant BS of a war (wars) we are in. They are conflicts. Again, my opinion. Awaiting inbound spears.


So much wrong with all of this.


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What sq is telling you, you have to deploy? Honestly. Over half of the units I know are voluntary and guys take it to avoid first year pay and drop is sparingly so they can hold a line in categories they never could. This isn’t WWII so I’m less than convinced on the patriotic aspect when dudes in the chow hall are deployed to make sure I’m wearing my reflective belt.

I’m not knocking my brothers and sisters serving. Many are doing great things. But USERRA is not meant for this constant BS of a war (wars) we are in. They are conflicts. Again, my opinion. Awaiting inbound spears.
Wow never been more offended by a comment on this site then just now. As a twenty year plus veteran you obviously don’t understand stand many things. I served to serve my country (no matter who was in charge) and my fellow citizens, not take advantage of some law you think is obscure. The law protected me from many sacrifices (yes voluntarily) I made over my lifetime. If someone doesn’t volunteer then who does it?
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What sq is telling you, you have to deploy? Honestly. Over half of the units I know are voluntary and guys take it to avoid first year pay and drop is sparingly so they can hold a line in categories they never could. This isn’t WWII so I’m less than convinced on the patriotic aspect when dudes in the chow hall are deployed to make sure I’m wearing my reflective belt.
All 3 of my previous deployments have been unit involuntary mobilizations. Our choices are to go in "involuntary" status or "voluntary," which is essentially like picking the fat one or the ugly one. We also have an alert mission that needs filled while the squadron is gone...so pilots are needed/expected to help backfill that if not deploying. Sure you could tell them to screw off, but who wants to do that their squadron mates.

My squadron generally has just over 30 pilots at any given time, with 3 of them being Active duty guys (read: can't go to the airlines). Generally ~18 pilots are full time, including the AD guys. Since 2014 we have had 21 pilot hired by the airlines...of that 21, 16 were full timers (IP/EP, Stan/Eval, DO, etc...). The guys that were hired and eventually came back on orders in my squadron were absolutely needed to run the squadron/man alert. Also, when things get tough and the economy starts to decline, I'm sure the company (and junior pilots) won't mind at all when guys jump back on orders.

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I’m not knocking my brothers and sisters serving. Many are doing great things. But USERRA is not meant for this constant BS of a war (wars) we are in. They are conflicts. Again, my opinion. Awaiting inbound spears.
Nor was the Guard/Reserve, but here we are...
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