Ed’s Interview With Maria
10-04-2018 | 09:42 PM
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What about the prevailing thought that many pay rates offers protections in the event of a disparate merger? For example, say a hypothetical narrow body LCC (or a portion thereof)? Some people with their ears to the train tracks are of the opinion that more consolidation is coming and if so, that's where it will happen.
If having one rate made a large legacy airline even a little more vulnerable to a full relative fleecing from a narrow body LCC, that would obviously make it a complete nonstarter.
If having one rate made a large legacy airline even a little more vulnerable to a full relative fleecing from a narrow body LCC, that would obviously make it a complete nonstarter.
10-05-2018 | 01:48 AM
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Longevity pay fixes that. If everybody had longevity pay, Plouffe could have his wish of DOH (at whatever airline) integration because your pay wouldn't change. Disparate companies merging would have little to no effect on QOL. I know there is at least one guy on this board that is only flying big widebody because of the money and would bid down if that money were the same. Ain't that right... sailingfun?
Did you watch the recent video by ED where he discussed fleet plans and the ATC system. He repeatedly said upsizing the fleet is the only way to sustain growth. That process is underway right now. Shame to give up all those free unnegotiated pay raises!
10-05-2018 | 06:47 AM
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I would bid down to copilot. Seems weird to pay copilots more than Captains! We would also be one of the first to decouple revenue generation from pay. Your assertion it would change seniority integration would only be true if our new rates matched narrowbody rates at other airlines.
Did you watch the recent video by ED where he discussed fleet plans and the ATC system. He repeatedly said upsizing the fleet is the only way to sustain growth. That process is underway right now. Shame to give up all those free unnegotiated pay raises!
Did you watch the recent video by ED where he discussed fleet plans and the ATC system. He repeatedly said upsizing the fleet is the only way to sustain growth. That process is underway right now. Shame to give up all those free unnegotiated pay raises!
10-05-2018 | 09:55 AM
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How?
If a narrow body LCC were to pillage our seniority list by scoring a full relative windfall because "what difference does it make the rates are all the same" that would cost our pilots seniority numbers compared to a limited/slotted/pull-n-plug/etc narrow body only relative integration.
I'm just not seeing the panacea with LBP except for the company with less training churn which means less pilots, less SLI's, etc. Throw in the possibility of even a fraction of a percent worse seniority integration and why would we even consider it? What's the big gain anyway? Everyone gets 777 pay overnight? Highly unlikely. LBP won't magically generate more money for us to spread around; odds are overwhelming that top rates will be lowered to bring lower rates up. So what's the big draw for the entire group as a whole?
If a narrow body LCC were to pillage our seniority list by scoring a full relative windfall because "what difference does it make the rates are all the same" that would cost our pilots seniority numbers compared to a limited/slotted/pull-n-plug/etc narrow body only relative integration.
I'm just not seeing the panacea with LBP except for the company with less training churn which means less pilots, less SLI's, etc. Throw in the possibility of even a fraction of a percent worse seniority integration and why would we even consider it? What's the big gain anyway? Everyone gets 777 pay overnight? Highly unlikely. LBP won't magically generate more money for us to spread around; odds are overwhelming that top rates will be lowered to bring lower rates up. So what's the big draw for the entire group as a whole?
10-05-2018 | 03:48 PM
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UPS has longevity pay, Envoy has seniority pay.
10-05-2018 | 06:15 PM
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Tomato tomato. Just different ways to skin the cat. Both can be concessions unless you recoup the value traded for the savings in diminished training churn.
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