From ALPA National to DL Management?
01-12-2022, 10:54 AM
#101
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Objectively look at what the situation is. Do you want to negotiate against an outsider who hates pilots, a bonehead who doesn’t understand our contract, or somebody who likes pilots and has actually advocated for them for decades? Just because he’s on their side now doesn’t mean they’ve activated darkmode on a robot. I’ll judge on the next few months, not jumping to conclusions yet. They can still pay him a salary AND we can come to an agreement that is good. This might increase the pace of negotiations.
01-12-2022, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
Objectively look at what the situation is. Do you want to negotiate against an outsider who hates pilots, a bonehead who doesn’t understand our contract, or somebody who likes pilots and has actually advocated for them for decades? Just because he’s on their side now doesn’t mean they’ve activated darkmode on a robot. I’ll judge on the next few months, not jumping to conclusions yet. They can still pay him a salary AND we can come to an agreement that is good. This might increase the pace of negotiations.
He is negotiating for the company's interests AS A COMPANY AGENT. What are you trying to say here?
01-12-2022, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I love the nostalgic admiration. Moak would be proud.
He is negotiating for the company's interests AS A COMPANY AGENT. What are you trying to say here?
He is negotiating for the company's interests AS A COMPANY AGENT. What are you trying to say here?
01-12-2022, 12:30 PM
#104
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I love the nostalgic admiration. Moak would be proud.
He is negotiating for the company's interests AS A COMPANY AGENT. What are you trying to say here?
He is negotiating for the company's interests AS A COMPANY AGENT. What are you trying to say here?
Really?
I’m watching, but my paranoia is a lot lower.
01-12-2022, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
Moak has nothing to do with what’s in front of us.
Really?
I’m watching, but my paranoia is a lot lower.
Really?
I’m watching, but my paranoia is a lot lower.
01-12-2022, 01:37 PM
#106
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
At least he's wearing the right jersey. He pretty much negotiated for management when we started blowing up SCOPE back in the day. Then we were moaked into making him a national officer as a reward. 
We are our worst enemy.
We are our worst enemy.
///filler
01-12-2022, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
He was Moak’s SCOPE sales agent.
The company wants something in section 1, he is tasked with getting it. He has intimate knowledge of the ALPA resources and responses.
Why waste time trying to negotiate for something the pilots aren’t going to give up? This expedites the negotiation.
Maybe we’re talking past each other - I’m not giving the guy a pass, but I’m not on auto-condemn either. I’m a little more optimistic and will wait and see.
01-12-2022, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
And the status members elected Moak. So what? He worked with many other MEC chairs just fine (at a much higher capacity). If anything he has heard all the criticism of scope and what we’re upset about. Name someone else in management that can articulate our position better.
Exactly my point.
Why waste time trying to negotiate for something the pilots aren’t going to give up? This expedites the negotiation.
Maybe we’re talking past each other - I’m not giving the guy a pass, but I’m not on auto-condemn either. I’m a little more optimistic and will wait and see.
Exactly my point.
Why waste time trying to negotiate for something the pilots aren’t going to give up? This expedites the negotiation.
Maybe we’re talking past each other - I’m not giving the guy a pass, but I’m not on auto-condemn either. I’m a little more optimistic and will wait and see.
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