Delta-Aero Mexico JV lost hours
01-11-2019, 03:54 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by 3 green
The penalty for Delta violating our contract is not great enough to keep them from the violation..Pretty simple..More cost effective for them to violate the contract.
Exactly. Part of the arbitration process that's screwed up. It would be different if past history of company breaching contract(s) weighed in on the penalty side. Company would think twice if penalty was 200% of profits for blatant disregard of our PWA. Instead it's usually 10 to 20 percent. Total incentive for company to say who gives a sh@t and do it, business is business.
01-12-2019, 04:37 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by snowdawg
Exactly. Part of the arbitration process that's screwed up. It would be different if past history of company breaching contract(s) weighed in on the penalty side. Company would think twice if penalty was 200% of profits for blatant disregard of our PWA. Instead it's usually 10 to 20 percent. Total incentive for company to say who gives a sh@t and do it, business is business.
Now isn't the time to be replacing Contract Admin Chairmen. Much like Scope Chairmen, we have had two in two weeks. We need to simply hire good folks and let theim do their work without judging a person's abilities by their Facebook posts
01-12-2019, 06:11 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Now isn't the time to be replacing Contract Admin Chairmen. Much like Scope Chairmen, we have had two in two weeks. We need to simply hire good folks and let theim do their work without judging a person's abilities by their Facebook posts
01-12-2019, 06:20 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by boog123
What experience did said Chairman have in contract admin?
He was replaced with an attorney who I do not know. Chit Chat forum complained that he was not supportive of their demand for retirement negotiations (which is an entirely unrelated opinion to contract enforcement) so the MEC booted him in less than a week. Even after he apologized and stated he had considered more information and regretted posting his opinion (or something like that)
It appears to me we let political opinions out weigh a person's ability to do a job. I don't care if a pilot has a political opinion as long as he (or she) can fly an airplane. We should simply pick the best person who delivers the best product to the pilot group.
Product > Politics
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 01-12-2019 at 06:32 AM.
01-12-2019, 06:29 AM
#45
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The Aeromexico investment was definitely not a mistake. They (we) own half of the dominant Latin carrier and what amount to a country's flag carrier. People will fly them without ever considering their Delta affiliation. This is about global consolidation, not just 1 JV.
01-12-2019, 06:32 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
The Aeromexico investment was definitely not a mistake. They (we) own half of the dominant Latin carrier and what amount to a country's flag carrier. People will fly them without ever considering their Delta affiliation. This is about global consolidation, not just 1 JV.
We were 11%, American was 25%, United 14% and Aeromexico 15% of the US Mexico transborder market. Nobody had heard of us outside of the beach markets and a little Mexico City.
We bought first place and as the leader, can set the price point.
We are in this for the long game.
01-12-2019, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
The Aeromexico investment was definitely not a mistake. They (we) own half of the dominant Latin carrier and what amount to a country's flag carrier. People will fly them without ever considering their Delta affiliation. This is about global consolidation, not just 1 JV.
01-12-2019, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You assume Aero Mexico can remain in business. That may be a big assumption considering how fast Mexico is deteriorating.
01-12-2019, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I think Mexico will always have a "national" airline. We owned a significant portion of GOL through Brazil's most difficult time, to emerge with a completely rebuilt airline that will soon be able to be owned (49%) by international investors.
01-12-2019, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I agree, however if they reorganize yet again what does that leave Delta?
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