Delta-Aero Mexico JV lost hours
01-12-2019, 07:58 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I agree, however if they reorganize yet again what does that leave Delta?
Delta also just picked up a strategic asset in the form of Rick Dominguez to manage these relationships.
The carriers are making operating profits on good revenue growth. I do not have a read on what is getting consolidated into their net losses, but it is often times the case that those long-tail expenses get renegotiated. Revenue and new cash investors always have the catbird seat.
What really matters is the numbers we in the general public will never see. What is the marginal profit increase from GOL and Aeromexico passengers flying on Delta? What are the sales created by the JV footprint? How much are prices increased by a market leadership position?
I ran a report looking at JV's during the European financial crisis. While everyone declined, the JV's declined the least and rebounded the fastest. The market strength has only improved as Delta has gotten better and better at managing these things.
01-12-2019, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
One had about a decade running the committee with a team. I don't know his total recovery for Delta pilots, but it was probably more than $45m.
He was replaced with an attorney who I do not know. Chit Chat forum complained that he was not supportive of their demand for retirement negotiations (which is an entirely unrelated opinion to contract enforcement) so the MEC booted him in less than a week. Even after he apologized and stated he had considered more information and regretted posting his opinion (or something like that)
It appears to me we let political opinions out weigh a person's ability to do a job. I don't care if a pilot has a political opinion as long as he (or she) can fly an airplane. We should simply pick the best person who delivers the best product to the pilot group.
Product > Politics
He was replaced with an attorney who I do not know. Chit Chat forum complained that he was not supportive of their demand for retirement negotiations (which is an entirely unrelated opinion to contract enforcement) so the MEC booted him in less than a week. Even after he apologized and stated he had considered more information and regretted posting his opinion (or something like that)
It appears to me we let political opinions out weigh a person's ability to do a job. I don't care if a pilot has a political opinion as long as he (or she) can fly an airplane. We should simply pick the best person who delivers the best product to the pilot group.
Product > Politics
01-12-2019, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Now isn't the time to be replacing Contract Admin Chairmen. Much like Scope Chairmen, we have had two in two weeks. We need to simply hire good folks and let theim do their work without judging a person's abilities by their Facebook posts
01-12-2019, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Isn't/didn't the Vice Chair step up into the Chairman slot for Contract Admin? At least that commitee retained some corporate knowledge and wasn't a complete flush like happened with the Scheduling Committee. So we have that going for us....which is nice. 😁
Don't know him.
01-12-2019, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
One had about a decade running the committee with a team. I don't know his total recovery for Delta pilots, but it was probably more than $45m.
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01-12-2019, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
There's a process for all this with two possible outcomes:
1. An AeroMexico JV LOA that includes a Global JV solution
2. Proceed with the Grievience process and each pilot gets awarded $200 a year from now.
IMO, if the company shifted flying from Mexico to more profitable Caribbean flying and overall block hours did not fall this violation is no big deal. Common sense says protect your global flying hours and let the company move the planes as they please.
Moreover, I believe we need more big picture thinking when it comes to our contract rather than getting wrapped up in minute details. Some pilots would blow a gasket if the contract says black pens and the company gives you a blue pen. Instead of making the company pay for cheap Bluetooth keyboards that hardly anyone will use, that time, effort and money could have negotiated a new DH LOA
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1. An AeroMexico JV LOA that includes a Global JV solution
2. Proceed with the Grievience process and each pilot gets awarded $200 a year from now.
IMO, if the company shifted flying from Mexico to more profitable Caribbean flying and overall block hours did not fall this violation is no big deal. Common sense says protect your global flying hours and let the company move the planes as they please.
Moreover, I believe we need more big picture thinking when it comes to our contract rather than getting wrapped up in minute details. Some pilots would blow a gasket if the contract says black pens and the company gives you a blue pen. Instead of making the company pay for cheap Bluetooth keyboards that hardly anyone will use, that time, effort and money could have negotiated a new DH LOA
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Sound about right?
01-12-2019, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
Translation: Give the company whatever contractual scope relief they want, whenever they want it, and hopefully get a window seat for DHs in exchange.
Sound about right?
Sound about right?
01-13-2019, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
The penalty for Delta violating our contract is not great enough to keep them from the violation..Pretty simple..More cost effective for them to violate the contract.
01-13-2019, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
The Aeromexico investment was definitely not a mistake. They (we) own half of the dominant Latin carrier and what amount to a country's flag carrier. People will fly them without ever considering their Delta affiliation. This is about global consolidation, not just 1 JV.
Not sure they really regret the AM investment. When viewed in context of the unfathomable billions lit on fire for buybacks that have barely moved the needle, in this hyper cyclical industry we're more likely to rue the day we burned billions for nothing than we are to regret the AM investment.
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