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Old 05-26-2019, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian View Post
No way with the amount of blade overlap will we get reverse with variable pitch.
It only needs to move 15 degrees. The issue is the complexity of adding yet another system for certification along with the gearbox. I doubt the variable pitch makes it to the 2025 target date, but comes later, ~2030 time frame.
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Old 05-26-2019, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
It only needs to move 15 degrees. The issue is the complexity of adding yet another system for certification along with the gearbox. I doubt the variable pitch makes it to the 2025 target date, but comes later, ~2030 time frame.
I am really pessimistic about that kind of technology. I agree, I have a hard time imagining it being out in less than 10 years.

I'm not sure what you mean about 15 degrees though, are you talking about for an effective braking movement from the blades?
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Old 05-26-2019, 11:05 PM
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I am really pessimistic about that kind of technology. I agree, I have a hard time imagining it being out in less than 10 years.

I'm not sure what you mean about 15 degrees though, are you talking about for an effective braking movement from the blades?
Moving fan blades sounds terrifying!
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Old 05-27-2019, 06:58 AM
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I am really pessimistic about that kind of technology. I agree, I have a hard time imagining it being out in less than 10 years.

I'm not sure what you mean about 15 degrees though, are you talking about for an effective braking movement from the blades?

It creates massive amounts of drag, the thrust does not reverse out of the engine. The extreme bypass ratio, and the size of the fan blades, because they are composite, make this possible.
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Old 05-27-2019, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post

It creates massive amounts of drag, the thrust does not reverse out of the engine. The extreme bypass ratio, and the size of the fan blades, because they are composite, make this possible.
That is going to have some rudder.
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Old 05-27-2019, 01:01 PM
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That is going to have some rudder.
Or MCAS 2.0
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Old 05-27-2019, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post

It creates massive amounts of drag, the thrust does not reverse out of the engine. The extreme bypass ratio, and the size of the fan blades, because they are composite, make this possible.
They’ll have to add blue line and red line back to the A/S gauge.
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Old 05-28-2019, 08:31 AM
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That's crazy! Wouldn't that disrupt the airflow like crazy though and cause some sort of compressor stall or starve the combustion chamber of air?
Look into variable geometry turbos
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Old 05-28-2019, 09:50 AM
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That is going to have some rudder.
You would almost certainly crash if that system activated in flight, that's why there must be some kind of mechanical shear pin that separates the main fan from the rest of the engine. At what point do they say enough is enough on engine reliability vs fuel savings. The 737Max is certainly a causality of this process.
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You would almost certainly crash if that system activated in flight, that's why there must be some kind of mechanical shear pin that separates the main fan from the rest of the engine. At what point do they say enough is enough on engine reliability vs fuel savings. The 737Max is certainly a causality of this process.
Never. Maybe we should have stopped here.

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