C2019 Completed By The Amendable Date
06-02-2019, 04:05 AM
#111
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Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 648
Originally Posted by duece12345
“Adapting” and doing our jobs are two different things.
When things go out of standard (IROPS, MX, PAX), I do my job. Capt ask me to call someone or grab something I do it because it’s my job. I am paid a kings ransom to keep the operation going smoothly. I let the capt come up with a game plan (because that’s his job), and I help execute. If he asks my input or thoughts on something I gladly deliver.
“Adapting”..... personality, flying techniques, political beliefs, whatever. I don’t do.
Couple of examples of some gem capt briefs.
1)I don’t like to use VNAV, it is stupid and no one should use it. Followed by 4 days of being “taught” how VNAV sucks.
-no. I was trained to use VNAV and I fly just fine using it, good day to you sir.
2)I want you to send for destination wx only at these certain times. That’s my “quirk”.
-no. I am going to get wx like I have the last 20 years, good day to you sir.
3)you can read in cruise but if you miss more than 2 radio calls, no more reading.
-thanks dad...good day to you sir.
Referencing my previous post. These are the type of situations that I will not adapt to.
I do agree that these weirdos are rare. For ever one WTF capt there are 10 great guys that are just there to do the job.
When things go out of standard (IROPS, MX, PAX), I do my job. Capt ask me to call someone or grab something I do it because it’s my job. I am paid a kings ransom to keep the operation going smoothly. I let the capt come up with a game plan (because that’s his job), and I help execute. If he asks my input or thoughts on something I gladly deliver.
“Adapting”..... personality, flying techniques, political beliefs, whatever. I don’t do.
Couple of examples of some gem capt briefs.
1)I don’t like to use VNAV, it is stupid and no one should use it. Followed by 4 days of being “taught” how VNAV sucks.
-no. I was trained to use VNAV and I fly just fine using it, good day to you sir.
2)I want you to send for destination wx only at these certain times. That’s my “quirk”.
-no. I am going to get wx like I have the last 20 years, good day to you sir.
3)you can read in cruise but if you miss more than 2 radio calls, no more reading.
-thanks dad...good day to you sir.
Referencing my previous post. These are the type of situations that I will not adapt to.
I do agree that these weirdos are rare. For ever one WTF capt there are 10 great guys that are just there to do the job.
06-02-2019, 04:49 AM
#113
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: 737B
Posts: 366
Originally Posted by buckleyboy
Denny, I am totally smelling what you’re feeling. I get it.
Two anecdotes about the two people who were put on my avoid list when I was an FO, to give you examples.
First guy was during TA1 rejection. He was the radar guy I referenced earlier. Griped about losing 30k+/year to van driver on way to hotel one night. Bro, know your audience...driver might not break 30k this year! Yelled—not an exaggeration—at me for not telling a controller we were direct NEUTO after deviating as he handed us off. (I later verified with ZTL that it makes life much easier by telling the next controller instead of the handing-off controller). And he wondered out loud why he never got selected for the LCA program. Gee, I wonder. Life is too short for me to deal with such asshattery.
Second guy was a psycho. In fact, he called himself that. (God bless you 88Bs who have flown with him!)
I could deal with his ego until he committed the sin for which the CPO called me. Let’s just say not everyone—everybody except one—knows that the word “homos” is not acceptable in corporate America, especially in front of some of our FAs. I’m not afraid of the CPO, but I’d rather not have to speak that office about a dumbass other than myself on my day off. Waste my time off, don’t expect to fly with me again.
The captain who introduced himself by expressing relief that he was not flying with a “military prick” did not make it to the list, although I did swap trips when his name popped up again. (I took his comment as a compliment, as the Guard is not real military...or at least it wasn’t at one time.
All that being, while most folks are great, yes, there are posterior cavities in every seat. Respect to all you FOs out there...I appreciate you protecting my certificate and my livelihood every trip. If you got hate in your heart, by all means, let it out!
Oh, and Klondike Bear, your [sic] rill fuh-knee!
Two anecdotes about the two people who were put on my avoid list when I was an FO, to give you examples.
First guy was during TA1 rejection. He was the radar guy I referenced earlier. Griped about losing 30k+/year to van driver on way to hotel one night. Bro, know your audience...driver might not break 30k this year! Yelled—not an exaggeration—at me for not telling a controller we were direct NEUTO after deviating as he handed us off. (I later verified with ZTL that it makes life much easier by telling the next controller instead of the handing-off controller). And he wondered out loud why he never got selected for the LCA program. Gee, I wonder. Life is too short for me to deal with such asshattery.
Second guy was a psycho. In fact, he called himself that. (God bless you 88Bs who have flown with him!)
I could deal with his ego until he committed the sin for which the CPO called me. Let’s just say not everyone—everybody except one—knows that the word “homos” is not acceptable in corporate America, especially in front of some of our FAs. I’m not afraid of the CPO, but I’d rather not have to speak that office about a dumbass other than myself on my day off. Waste my time off, don’t expect to fly with me again.
The captain who introduced himself by expressing relief that he was not flying with a “military prick” did not make it to the list, although I did swap trips when his name popped up again. (I took his comment as a compliment, as the Guard is not real military...or at least it wasn’t at one time.
All that being, while most folks are great, yes, there are posterior cavities in every seat. Respect to all you FOs out there...I appreciate you protecting my certificate and my livelihood every trip. If you got hate in your heart, by all means, let it out!
Oh, and Klondike Bear, your [sic] rill fuh-knee!
06-02-2019, 06:46 AM
#116
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: Stretch DC-9 Gear Slinger
Posts: 615
In the summer of 2014 I was very junior reserve on the 88 in atl. I flew 5 trips in a row with dudes on the no fly list. Luckily the 6th trip was with an awesome guy.
Of those 5 the Hermanator was probably the easiest for me to get along with.
Of those 5 the Hermanator was probably the easiest for me to get along with.
06-02-2019, 07:16 AM
#118
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: 767A (Ret)
Posts: 6,248
Always two there are ...
Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
There must be more than one of those guys.
06-02-2019, 07:35 AM
#119
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 6,716
Originally Posted by Klondike Bear
In the summer of 2014 I was very junior reserve on the 88 in atl. I flew 5 trips in a row with dudes on the no fly list. Luckily the 6th trip was with an awesome guy.
Of those 5 the Hermanator was probably the easiest for me to get along with.
Of those 5 the Hermanator was probably the easiest for me to get along with.
06-02-2019, 07:36 AM
#120
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,108
Originally Posted by PassportPlump
I always think the same thing if I am in a bad situation. I have to put up with the guy for 3-4-5-6 days, but his family has to put up with him every time he comes home!
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