Was there an increase in FDP extension requests during the same time?

It sounds like someone on the MEC volunteered to carry the crew intimidation water for Delta. If they cared about reporting relevant info to the membership, they would have included the number of requested FDP extensions and any change in the ratio of requested extensions and FFDRs.

Awesome, thanks guys. I knew APC would have answers! Overwriting the date is very helpful.

I didn't read it that way. I took it as a message saying "if you're feeling more fatigued, you're not alone - make the right call."

I'm not sure I understand your point. An FFDR is filed when a pilot has "pulled the plug" on the operation - whether fatigued or unfit for duty, not just because an FDP extension was refused. Regardless, if the those numbers are rising while the amount of flying remains relatively constant (for year-over-year comparative purposes), it would seem the opposite of your "crew intimidation" assertion is happening and pilots, in fact, aren't being intimidated and are calling in fatigued/unfit for duty at greater numbers. I suspect as the company runs the operation at or near the red line with summer IROPS occuring, those numbers will continue to increase.

If you are concerned solely about FDP extensions, maybe you should push for a comparison with other legacies such as United, American and even Southwest. I believe FAR117 only requires a carrier to report actual FDP extensions greater than 30 minutes but it might be interesting to see how Delta ranks among them.

I have not seen the data, but I heard from a reliable source that Delta is WAY ahead of other legacy carriers on FDP extensions. Light years ahead of them..Maybe someone can find that data and post it.

I agree. Friends at United and AA say they almost never extend.

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That would make it interesting. Profit Sharing currently gets DC. Now we make some of the DC get profit sharing which would also get more DC which would also get more profit sharing..........

"Hopefully"? yes. Practically? Nope. The bigger this airline gets, the worse this problem will get.

I agree with all of the above except that you do need to file an FFDR for a extension refusal. It is the company's current policy that the only valid reason for refusing the extension is due to fatigue/unfit. So any time you refuse an extension you must fill out an FFDR.

You are 100% correct. I though that was implied in my response to Gunfighter but I probably could have worded it better. It seemed he was focused on FDP extensions (the refusal of which certainly does require an FFDR at Delta) but FFDRs are required for more than just refusing an FDP extension and need to be measured as such when assessing the operational trends we are experiencing.

The fact that we have to fill out an FFDR for refusing to extend our FDP has us standing alone in the FDP extension game among our peers at UAL, AA and LUV, to name a few. Pretty sure that isn't industry leading.

I've been called three times today for Inverse Assignments.

Three. In one day. In the middle of a big block o X days.

I don't live in base so there's no way I can report in time but this is more junior manning calls this week than I've had in the last year.

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Make it four now

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Are you NYC Based?

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Yeah. ER

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Absolute nightmare gridlock traffic at LGA right now. Hour shuttle trips from Marriott LGA with hour wait times. Similar times getting employee parking shuttle. Almost missed my deadhead.

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Yeah but its a co-terminal. Can't get to one, just zip on over to another real quick. #ifyougotaproblemyoillsolveit

Talk about falling off a cliff. 7th day of the month and in my narrow body category only 12 total trips assigned to reserves this month, and not a single white slip in the category (talking a W and not a pick up from the pot PW). Going to have to rethink my strategy if this continues.

Email from JG yesterday saying essentially thanks for bailing us out this summer and it won’t happen again was at least a somewhat classy move.

Hopefully they actually did learn their lessons this summer and make the necessary adjustments going forward to 2020 and beyond.

So you want that craziness back? What's you're strategy?

Like to drop the garbage and pick up shorter/better broken trips. Normally have no issue doing it. Don’t need the craziness but like Goldilocks I’m looking for just right.

What fleet are you on?

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Yup. We were clearly missing enough diversity. That would have made everything better.

That's what I figured...I mostly use the same strategy. It still worked this month, but usually falls off in October as our international flying declines. I noticed a sharp drop in GS/W in other categories, but I'd think that's a welcome change for most.

Yeah it's nice to be able to take a breather.

ATL 320 A still is so short you can’t drop or move days off...

And the brilliant minds that be in OCT have the ALV still at 81 with 67% of trips as 4 or 5 days with 78% of the hours contained in those.

Looking forward to watching PBS gag on that again... :mad:

Actually the Oct ALV is 82:30! 51% of the trips are 4 or 5 day. The real problem other than the high ALV is that 26% of the trips are 5 day trips. Ridiculous.

For those that wish to see a detailed breakdown of trips by length and percentage of total trips , check out the tables in the bid packages that start around page 23.

Id like to know the sick call breakdown based on trip length. Id bet 5 days are the highest sick out rate.

And probably have the highest proportion of fatigue calls....

The company eliminated 5 day trips. We asked for them back.

Sorta. They, per their own words, removed 5-days temporarily for testing. Are you saying that's not true?

The pilot group never demanded 100% elimination, nor for a restoration to be a high ratio of trips. The vast majority of guys who bid them, are commuters. Yet the bases with disproportionate commuters seem to be the ones with highest proportion of 1 & 2 days, while the bases with a lot of local guys get a ton of 4 & 5 days.

I mistyped... yep! 26% 5-day trips in a base where most drive to work. So freaking dumb.

Correct... there's always a handful of masochists that yell for things like 5 days or CDOs. That was the company's call to nuke 5 days... and now they've gone hard the other direction. PBS is really going to choke on this in my category.

They were removed entirely post merger. We demanded them back. There was a second round of eliminating them and pilots wanting them back.

The second round was only for a month as a test on staffing.

Same good deal in MSP....

It's (now) 51% of trips and 68% of the hours, with 26% of the trips being 5 days and 39% of the hours :eek:...

Not sure how I messed that up or if the bid pack data block was changed from when I first looked at it, but either way... I can hear PBS choking already. We've got another month to look forward to not being able to move days off.

You are misrepresenting what happened. It was specific to NYC320. The NYC crew wanted them back because of the large number of commuters. It is a consistent request to the RCC to limit 5 days to no more than 10%. But that is not the only problem. If 5 days are 10% and 4 days are 75% that doesn’t leave much of anything else. We need to have contractual language that gives the RCC some input or that gives a persentage if trips at each length with a +\-.