Great point...it doest seem to let up anymore like it used too.

That's because it's not... it's a much smarter way to run an airline, but they've got to accept reality and staff for it.

What is shouldering?

Like I said, if you don't want to fly greenslips or whiteslips you do not have too. Fly your trips, and enjoy time at home. Reroutes have benefited you, so why complain about being understaffed? You should be busy with family at home, and not worried about Delta understaffing certain categories.

The months between busy season and slow season. Aka Sept and May.

My guess is most of our 321 deliveries are being staffed, at least in the short term, by the start up of the LAX base.

To further expand, it is the reduction of the block hours outside of summer. They are keeping it higher year round now with only marginal reductions.

Correct. Those trips they are building out there are some doozies. Start with a redeye, sit for a couple hours and then deadhead and day layover to start a 4 day.

Good point, dropping trips can be tough if you are understaffed and reserve coverage isn't there.

In all fairness to those who created and implemented the summer staffing model, they didn't have a crystal ball to see the 737MAX disaster at Boeing. Our domestic operation has expanded this summer due to Boeing inflicted capacity reduction at our competitors. We have chosen to capture this short term opportunity with the flexible staffing model within our PWA called GS. There aren't near as many GS opportunities on the WB side, because the 737MAX didn't change the summer staffing requirements as drastically.

If the suitcases full of money are too heavy, submit an FCR to have payroll use $100s instead of $20s.

This is largely incorrect reasoning, as trip construction has not changed on the WB side, while it has drastically changed on the narrow body side.

Right, which doesn't explain reduced/insufficient hiring. At all.

Don't we have a contractual balacing feature whereby if they run it like this it has to later adjust? Will they have to dramatically ramp up staffing because of this, or is that feature simply functionally inadequate?

MOSTLY benefited me. Like I said another downside to being understaffed is insanely high LCW/ALVs. I don’t worry about anything related to Delta, nor does Ed call me and ask me what I think we should do.

There are some serious unintended consequences to being understaffed that affect 14,000+ of us. Not just those of us who need to credit 120 hours a month.

What you mean short term? http://i.imgur.com/qJ63cFn.png

80, you are usually sharper than this, the reasoning is 100% correct. NB trip mix has been changed to capture the market share left on the table by the parked 737MAX. There was no comparable event on the WB side, so trip mix was not adjusted to the changing market.

The changes and pad cutouts have been longer term than the MAX grounding, it's just coming to a head now. Yes, it did contribute, but was not a primary factor.

Less than one year is short term. Our management team capitalized on an opportunity in the market. If we have reason to believe it will be parked for the summer of 2020 and also confident our competitors cannot find a capacity solution, we could take a gamble on increased staffing. If we are wrong a few months of attrition will solve the overage.

What section(s) of the PWA has Delta proved they won't violate?

I dunno, my commute went from 5-6 flights a day to 3 next month. Somebody's not flying :confused:

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+12,000 green slips in July

Previous record was 8,600 in June 2019.

That's an almost 40% increase.

I don’t think that figure is actual green slips. I believe the company keeps track of green slip duty periods. Still that’s a heck of a lot....

Denny

I was told there would be no math

You're right. It still beat the previous record by 40%.

Not quite true. Drops and swaps, other than on the days you are currently flying, go out the window because of undercoverage. So quality of life takes a hit.

Where is this data located?

Yep. I was unable to do my usual swapping of days off at all due to no reserve coverage in August. Whatever PBS generates (and unstacks to) is what you keep.

Where’s sailing to tell us that 12,000 GS duty periods is nothing compared to the early 2000’s? :D

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Where is a moderator when you need one ?......oh...wait a minute....hailing 80kts

Guess it's ok with that smiley face? kudos on this post ...at least this time you didn't accuse Sailing of lying as you so often do, more of an insinuation:D

Note....see the smiley face? That makes it all ok...right?

I don’t think he ever lies. He does double down on just horrible information frequently, though.

Well, I know this is not a popular opinion to express on the forum( for the 10-15 compulsive posters) but I feel that Sailing provides a lot of valuable data and insight...most all of it fairly accurate

If he quit posting, it would be a loss for APC...IMHO

Yes it would.

Denny

He does provide some valuable information which would be a loss. I wish he would acknowledge his critical errors and not double down on them, though.

I agree..Sailing always has good gouge and I enjoy reading his posts. APC has lost a lot of moderate voices...Sinkrate, Tacobell, and others...cause life's too short to continuously argue on an anonymous forum..so we lose good guys and good gouge.

APC's loss..:D

Not defending the math as I have no idea what the numbers were, but we were canceling a LOT of flights back then for lack of crews. We were also only around 10,000 pilots, so comparing GS duty periods without that context isn’t actually telling the whole story either.

The operation has gotten VERY creative on how to not cancel flights. It’s brilliant compared to the other airlines. It may be 24 hours late, but dangit, it’s still going.

12,203 GS, 150 IAs, 4 GSWC, nope, no staffing issue here.

Btw, tunes found the GS numbers back then, too... it was about 5% of what we’re running now.

I wonder what that number would be if you took out all the GS that are being flown on X days? From what I've seen, the wide body FO's on GS's get them on their X days......they are creative in bidding and avoid flying on their on call days. No matter how you slice it or dice it....what's the problem with GS's, any of them?


GS are VOLUNTARY....to me , the only important number is IA....those are guys that haven't chosen to fly, but management forced them to.....the 12,000 + GS are essentially 12,000 reasons to sing the blessings of managements choice on staffing. Can I get a Hallelujah!!!!

All any pilot can block in a year is 1000 hrs....that is 83 hours a month....so 3x4 day trips at 26 hrs per trip=72 hrs in 12 days...and throw in another 2 day...puts you at 14 days and 83 hours. You tell any military pilot that he only has to work 14 days a month and they would be ecstatic....(prolly the RJ guys too)

Any narrow body capt that is worn out....it's kinda your choice...we do have positions called WB FO....they do the international flying...you know the 1 leg stuff over the pond...nap for 4-5 hours, fly 4-5 hours....10-14 hrs block with 1/2 being dozing for $$$$.
Even 75/76 trips are fairly benign.

The pilots with a real beef are the "new" guys that get forced into NB FO small planes with multiple legs and no bidding power. They didn't choose their lot in life....well... other than filling out an application, going to an interview, accepting the job and then completing training (still bet this summer of discontent is better than where they came from)

But don't let me put a damper on pilot's favorite past time....gotta run, phone's ringing.....ARCOS on the line offering my 8th GS.....

Damn...management makes me work to hard!!!!:eek: