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Old 07-27-2019 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
Delta mgmt has done a great job ensuring this with all the hoops you must jump thru after refusing to extend.
What are the implications if one simply goes to the hotel, a la UAL?
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Old 07-27-2019 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
Will never happen. The vast majority of pilots extend their duty day, and are glad to do it. I do not see that changing. I've personally seen on a few occasions where the pilot I was flying with extended and I did not. Both times the other pilot said it's too much paperwork and talking on the phone. Crew tracking, duty pilot, chief pilot calls, and FCR must be submitted. The intimidation factor is too high for most.
The longer it takes, the longer I'm on duty, the longer rest period I will require to recover from said duty period. It's just that simple... But to the FCR part that actually is part of 117 (117.7 B 3,4,5). Though I will say delta takes it to the extreme. And once again definitely the worst airline as far as 117 is concerned that I have worked for. It's amazing that both a regional and an ULCC has better a better 117 policy then delta; but seeing how far behind they are in the I.T. department its it's not that suprising.
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Old 07-27-2019 | 06:30 PM
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Well....I'm glad to learn that their drummer did not spontaneously combust.


What I don’t get is why they don’t just make the amps louder, and have 10 be the top.


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Old 07-27-2019 | 07:49 PM
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You are leaving stuff out. You call crew tracking who then tranfers you to a duty pilot where you have to repeat yourself. Then you have to fill out fatigue form where you pit everything you said in writing. Then chief pilot follows up the next business day where you have to repeat yourself all over again. In my experience, the chief pilot threatens to not pay protect you as intimidation. In my case there was nothing to pay protect me for which is why I took it as intimidation. Most guys here like their job and extending is just easier as it is what our company expects you to do.
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Old 07-27-2019 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
You are leaving stuff out. You call crew tracking who then tranfers you to a duty pilot where you have to repeat yourself. Then you have to fill out fatigue form where you pit everything you said in writing. Then chief pilot follows up the next business day where you have to repeat yourself all over again. In my experience, the chief pilot threatens to not pay protect you as intimidation. In my case there was nothing to pay protect me for which is why I took it as intimidation. Most guys here like their job and extending is just easier as it is what our company expects you to do.
The Chief Pilot should not be calling. If they do, you need to let your reps know. You fill out your FFDR and that should be the end of it.
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Old 07-27-2019 | 09:52 PM
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I have refused every extension I've ever had to at Delta. 2 total and both international in the last 7 months. I've been fully paid and no questions asked. I have young kids and refuse to take on any extra liability.
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Old 07-28-2019 | 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
You are leaving stuff out. You call crew tracking who then tranfers you to a duty pilot where you have to repeat yourself. Then you have to fill out fatigue form where you pit everything you said in writing. Then chief pilot follows up the next business day where you have to repeat yourself all over again. In my experience, the chief pilot threatens to not pay protect you as intimidation. In my case there was nothing to pay protect me for which is why I took it as intimidation. Most guys here like their job and extending is just easier as it is what our company expects you to do.
The chief pilot has absolutely nothing to do with pay protection so he can’t threaten you. You do seem to have interesting experiences. I would have followed that experience up and pushed to see he no longer works as a CP.
I have never had a call from a CP for refusing a extension and even pulling the plug prior to needing a extension. I have had to deal with the duty pilot calling but that’s easy.
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Old 07-28-2019 | 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
You are leaving stuff out. You call crew tracking who then tranfers you to a duty pilot where you have to repeat yourself. Then you have to fill out fatigue form where you pit everything you said in writing. Then chief pilot follows up the next business day where you have to repeat yourself all over again. In my experience, the chief pilot threatens to not pay protect you as intimidation. In my case there was nothing to pay protect me for which is why I took it as intimidation. Most guys here like their job and extending is just easier as it is what our company expects you to do.
Was this at Delta? Recently?

I just call straight to the duty pilot they do the rest. One call that’s all.

If guys are extending because they are intimidated by that then that’s on them not the company.
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Old 07-28-2019 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
You are leaving stuff out. You call crew tracking who then tranfers you to a duty pilot where you have to repeat yourself. Then you have to fill out fatigue form where you pit everything you said in writing. Then chief pilot follows up the next business day where you have to repeat yourself all over again. In my experience, the chief pilot threatens to not pay protect you as intimidation. In my case there was nothing to pay protect me for which is why I took it as intimidation. Most guys here like their job and extending is just easier as it is what our company expects you to do.
You don’t call Crew Tracking for Fatigue. Your one and only call is to the Duty Pilot.
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Old 07-28-2019 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by lavService
I have refused every extension I've ever had to at Delta. 2 total and both international in the last 7 months. I've been fully paid and no questions asked. I have young kids and refuse to take on any extra liability.

For any future Delta pilot wannabe's reading this thread......if asked a "what if" question analogous to this scenario.....I would highly suggest you do not follow this advice/train of thought. I suspect that no one would be hired if their reason is, "I've got too much to lose, so I will never extend"

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