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full of luv 07-21-2019 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by ecam (Post 2856606)
House of cards. Always has been always will be. Love those 12 hour delays so they can brag 0% cancelations in summer IROP. Have some more of that purple kool aid boys. It will hold you over til profit sharing day again.

Maybe but from a pax perspective “sorry bad wx, your flt is canxed, good luck on stdby status for two days” or “here’s your refund (what the lcc’s often do” is much worse than delta’s “sorry your fly delayed due to wx for 12 hrs.... see you in ten hours”. At least the pax know they will get where they want to go and when without spending hours at the airport waiting for possible stdby flt status.

full of luv 07-21-2019 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO (Post 2856770)
A little birdy told me a few weeks ago when SD was still here he chose to run the operation a little “fatter” on pilots for this issue we are seeing. When EB wanted all non fuel costs reduced by 1-2% this year, the higher ups on the 4th floor chose to reduce hiring to comply with that outlook. According to some of the people “in the know” we were averaging 500 GS’s a month last year this time this year we’ve been averaging between 6k-8k a month during the summer so far since May...

Yet they made a $2billion pretax quarterly profit anyway......

BobZ 07-21-2019 06:34 PM

https://youtu.be/ILQvGAj3VRY

Rev on.....

Trip7 07-21-2019 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2856951)
Yet they made a $2billion pretax quarterly profit anyway......

Drops Mic.....

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m3113n1a1 07-21-2019 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2856951)
Yet they made a $2billion pretax quarterly profit anyway......

But but but pilots know best!!!

PassportPlump 07-21-2019 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 2856760)
It's a fine balance. Would it be better to carry a 10% pilot surplus 360 days a year, so that we can be staffed appropriately for the 5 days if IROP a year? Obviously Delta doesn't think so. Probably a wiser business decision to just eat the loss on the IROP days than to waste money overstaffing the airline, but we obviously can't see all the data.

I'll just put my GSWC in and hangout at home :D

5 days of IROP a year? Nope.

Toonces 07-21-2019 07:55 PM

Jetblue: “Hold my beer...” [emoji23]


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Scooter432 07-21-2019 08:07 PM

Meanwhile in my category (atl7erb) we have had KLOAs offered every month this summer, and excellent reserve coverage. I’ve worked as little or as much as I’ve wanted and it’s been fantastic.

Bucking Bar 07-21-2019 09:54 PM

Coincidence or conspiracy?

New Corvette

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...b1diiybgky.png

Third green slip for the month

waldo135 07-22-2019 01:14 AM


Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2856887)
And yet I sit on my deck drinking a fine Helles looking at the Rocky Mountains. Green slips are not the answer. More pilots and more $$. I won't fly them. Time off is the reason to have this job.

Bid reserve, fly GS’s for payback days. Extra $$ and same number of days off. Win win.

AlphaBeta 07-22-2019 03:01 AM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 2856958)
But but but pilots know best!!!

Well he is a pilot, ran the operation with more pilots, and still made a ton of money. I think that was the point if the comment.

3 green 07-22-2019 03:20 AM

Pilots that bid reserve want more pilots so they fly even less, senior pilots who whiteslip and greenslip want less pilots so they can make more money, the average pilot group is somewhere in the middle.

sailingfun 07-22-2019 03:32 AM

Thursday was the longest taxi I have had in JFK in 18 years and I am told ATL was groundstopped. I think this was a weather not a pilot event.

BobZ 07-22-2019 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 2857025)
Coincidence or conspiracy?

New Corvette

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...b1diiybgky.png

Third green slip for the month

Neither.....its density.

Hank Kingsley 07-22-2019 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2856935)
You should quit. 100% time off[emoji23]

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Trying to. I tried to go at 60, but my 60% FAE wasn't there. Green slips should be an anomaly. Not a way of life. It's all guys talk about. With conflict would make more sense. Time off is what the job used to be, you know, quality of life. Lip service now. We have nothing over those ladies of the night.

NeverFlexTO 07-22-2019 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Scooter432 (Post 2856994)
Meanwhile in my category (atl7erb) we have had KLOAs offered every month this summer, and excellent reserve coverage. I’ve worked as little or as much as I’ve wanted and it’s been fantastic.

They've offered KLOA's in my category too since May, yet there offering sometimes 5-7 GS's everyday, because there splitting trips due to not having the RSV coverage

Trip7 07-22-2019 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2857097)
Trying to. I tried to go at 60, but my 60% FAE wasn't there. Green slips should be an anomaly. Not a way of life. It's all guys talk about. With conflict would make more sense. Time off is what the job used to be, you know, quality of life. Lip service now. We have nothing over those ladies of the night.

I agree. Greenslips are an anomaly. IMO, When it's feeding season it's best to take advantage of the opportunity to make extra cash then enjoy the extra time off fall and winter when flying is slow. Easier to nonrev then too.

When I'm your age I have similar goals. I hope to have enough streams of income that a Greenslip isn't worth my time. But for now each Greenslip is a significant increase to my Net Worth not to mention the investment gains down the road.

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JamesBond 07-22-2019 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2857066)
Thursday was the longest taxi I have had in JFK in 18 years and I am told ATL was groundstopped. I think this was a weather not a pilot event.

I think you have a short memory. If you had a longer taxi than the days when they lined us up on 2 taxiways and 13R to depart 22R, then DAL is gonna get fined. I sat there 3+ hours numerous times.


Or you have been blessed.

JamesBond 07-22-2019 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2857097)
Trying to. I tried to go at 60, but my 60% FAE wasn't there. Green slips should be an anomaly. Not a way of life. It's all guys talk about. With conflict would make more sense. Time off is what the job used to be, you know, quality of life. Lip service now. We have nothing over those ladies of the night.

Some guys want time off... some want the money. Why is it hard to believe that some guys want to make bank while they can? I hate being in Florida in the summer. Hot, humid, hurricanes... bugs.... If I could fly more I probably would. Fall is football season. THAT's when I want off. You yankees want to sit on your deck in the summer drinking beer or whatever. I do that in the winter.

With conflict only makes sense for certain categories though. Pretty sure they wouldn't work in big ones... but I guess it is dependent on manning...

sailingfun 07-22-2019 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2857128)
I think you have a short memory. If you had a longer taxi than the days when they lined us up on 2 taxiways and 13R to depart 22R, then DAL is gonna get fined. I sat there 3+ hours numerous times.


Or you have been blessed.

Were not going to get fined. Went back to the pad and offered a chance to get off. Clock reset.

GogglesPisano 07-22-2019 07:23 AM

I was #40 for TO at JFK once back in my RJ days.

Ah, the good ol' pre-DOT3 days.

crewdawg 07-22-2019 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2857097)
Green slips should be an anomaly. Not a way of life.

Right! Yet you see guys lose their minds over some ideas that would be good for the majority, because it MIGHT reduce GS...


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2857150)
I was #40 for TO at JFK once back in my RJ days.

Ah, the good ol' pre-DOT3 days.

Sounds like the last few months pushing out of JFK in evening headed to Europe. Or a few months ago when they sent us all the way down to PF onto 13R to get in line for takeoff on 4L.

theUpsideDown 07-22-2019 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2857150)
I was #40 for TO at JFK once back in my RJ days.

Ah, the good ol' pre-DOT3 days.

Oh, good news, now theyre landing both runways. Now you're really 80 in line.

JamesBond 07-22-2019 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2857150)
I was #40 for TO at JFK once back in my RJ days.

Ah, the good ol' pre-DOT3 days.

My favorite story was related to me by another pilot (can't remember who) about flying to Nice. Delta 89 was called up by ground control and told he was number 89 for takeoff....

My favorite flight number was KBP. Car guys will get it. "Delta 88"

waldo135 07-22-2019 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2857219)
My favorite story was related to me by another pilot (can't remember who) about flying to Nice. Delta 89 was called up by ground control and told he was number 89 for takeoff....

My favorite flight number was KBP. Car guys will get it. "Delta 88"

Only the old(s) people

badflaps 07-22-2019 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 2857368)
Only the old(s) people

I still have a stick '55 coupe that they will have to pry out of my cold dead hands.

Trip7 07-22-2019 03:28 PM

Massive IROP predicted for ATL tomorrow. OCC can't catch a break

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tunes 07-22-2019 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2857446)
Massive IROP predicted for ATL tomorrow. OCC can't catch a break

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well i mean it's partially self induced so there's that.

waldo135 07-22-2019 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2857446)
Massive IROP predicted for ATL tomorrow. OCC can't catch a break

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NYC going on right now

Tadertot 07-22-2019 04:56 PM

When did IROP’s get colors? Yellow? Orange? Am I supposed to know what these mean?

av8tor1 07-22-2019 05:30 PM

Green slips made me 200$K ytd, 3rd yr 73 fo

OOfff 07-22-2019 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by av8tor1 (Post 2857496)
Green slips made me 200$K ytd, 3rd yr 73 fo

Weird flex but ok

clear4approach 07-22-2019 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by av8tor1 (Post 2857496)
Green slips made me 200$K ytd, 3rd yr 73 fo

YTD? As in you've made 200k so far, just over half the year gone?
So you'll make 380k this year? I call "fake news"

gloopy 07-22-2019 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by clear4approach (Post 2857547)
YTD? As in you've made 200k so far, just over half the year gone?
So you'll make 380k this year? I call "fake news"

That does seem high if its based off of GS alone. OE trip drop buddy bidders that overlap their entire sked with GS though could actually pull that off.

BobZ 07-22-2019 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2857570)
That does seem high if its based off of GS alone. OE trip drop buddy bidders that overlap their entire sked with GS though could actually pull that off.

Plus ps....and the gswc multiplier.

m3113n1a1 07-22-2019 09:29 PM

I believe it if you include profit sharing. Makes me feel veryyy lazy though.

80ktsClamp 07-22-2019 09:42 PM

I’ve skirted by this entire 4 day trip criss crossing the country without a single leg leaving late or getting in late. Felt like I was sauntering through with crap blowing up around me, but somehow unaffected.

But day 4 is upon us, and the brilliant minds planned day 4 to 8+ hours block in thunderstorm season (where if I hold and divert, I’m done wherever I land), and it’s ATL’s turn the through the gauntlet. It’s all about cutting out the pads, though.

av8tor1 07-23-2019 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2857570)
That does seem high if its based off of GS alone. OE trip drop buddy bidders that overlap their entire sked with GS though could actually pull that off.

Yes counting everything including ps. I’m sure gs will dry up soon so probably 300 not 380

Trip7 07-23-2019 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by av8tor1 (Post 2857640)
Yes counting everything including ps. I’m sure gs will dry up soon so probably 300 not 380

Are you NYC73NB?

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JamesBond 07-23-2019 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Tadertot (Post 2857482)
When did IROP’s get colors? Yellow? Orange? Am I supposed to know what these mean?

I was thinking the same thing.


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