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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2857762)
I was thinking the same thing.
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Someone on FB is claiming RG wants us down to 11000 or fewer pilots. How is that even remotely possible...if it’s true at all?
For a corporation that craves a premium brand image, I’m blown away if they truly feel we can maintain our momentum with 3500 or more fewer pilots. Not even the sodomizer can be that good... GP |
Originally Posted by GuardPolice
(Post 2857773)
Someone on FB is claiming RG wants us down to 11000 or fewer pilots. How is that even remotely possible...if it’s true at all?
For a corporation that craves a premium brand image, I’m blown away if they truly feel we can maintain our momentum with 3500 or more fewer pilots. Not even the sodomizer can be that good... GP |
Originally Posted by GuardPolice
(Post 2857773)
Someone on FB is claiming RG wants us down to 11000 or fewer pilots. How is that even remotely possible...if it’s true at all?
For a corporation that craves a premium brand image, I’m blown away if they truly feel we can maintain our momentum with 3500 or more fewer pilots. Not even the sodomizer can be that good... GP Sent from my SM-G975U1 using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 2857789)
It's an absurd statement made to rile folks up
Sent from my SM-G975U1 using Tapatalk That’s my first thought; however, that’s the first time I’ve read or heard about a staffing level that low. Everything public so far just alludes to making due with what we have now. GP |
Originally Posted by Tadertot
(Post 2857482)
When did IROP’s get colors? Yellow? Orange? Am I supposed to know what these mean?
{"Did you order the Code Red?" - "You're GD right I did." } |
Originally Posted by av8tor1
(Post 2857640)
Yes counting everything including ps. I’m sure gs will dry up soon so probably 300 not 380
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
(Post 2857773)
Someone on FB is claiming RG wants us down to 11000 or fewer pilots. How is that even remotely possible...if it’s true at all?
For a corporation that craves a premium brand image, I’m blown away if they truly feel we can maintain our momentum with 3500 or more fewer pilots. Not even the sodomizer can be that good... GP It's not if... but when. |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2857820)
Global merger. Skyteam.
It's not if... but when. Does the PWA specifically allow this, either in published language or lack thereof? GP |
Originally Posted by GuardPolice
(Post 2857835)
Does the PWA specifically allow this, either in published language or lack thereof?
GP |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2857820)
Global merger. Skyteam.
It's not if... but when. Sent from my SM-G975U1 using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by GuardPolice
(Post 2857773)
Someone on FB is claiming RG wants us down to 11000 or fewer pilots. How is that even remotely possible...if it’s true at all?
For a corporation that craves a premium brand image, I’m blown away if they truly feel we can maintain our momentum with 3500 or more fewer pilots. Not even the sodomizer can be that good... GP |
Originally Posted by clear4approach
(Post 2857861)
Thats like 6 years of retirements with zero hiring. No way.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 2857815)
There was an 88 FO a couple years ago who made well over 400. Commuted too, and didn't work much harder than the average high ALV lineholder or junior/hammered reserve. Buddy bid drop your whole line with pay, get 3 or 4 regular GS trips. Boom, triple pay while not working any harder than your original schedule.
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
(Post 2857835)
Does the PWA specifically allow this, either in published language or lack thereof?
GP I would look down the road, and apply the same gun that SWA put to the heads of the AirTran guys. At some point there will be a downturn in the economy... poor mouth will be cried... flying shifted to ensure survival.... done. It's a process. Look at it another way. Do you think the airline industry is in it's final form forever and ever? What do you think is the next step? If it is global consolidation, which do you think will happen: Virgin (for example) gets our pay rates and we get their health bennies? Or will the company (whaever it is called) starts shifting costs to the most cost effective points? It's mostly a thought exercise at this point, but I would wager that the industry is not in it's final form. Your opinion may differ. |
Originally Posted by BobZ
(Post 2857864)
Less with age 70 retirement
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Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 2857846)
Your opinion, which IMO, is not in line with reality
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2857888)
naaaaaaah I'll bet the numbers would be negligible, especially with all the guys that say they are leaving at 55.
In other words they don't really mean it, but love to hear themselves say it. |
Originally Posted by GuardPolice
(Post 2857773)
Someone on FB is claiming RG wants us down to 11000 or fewer pilots. How is that even remotely possible...if it’s true at all?
For a corporation that craves a premium brand image, I’m blown away if they truly feel we can maintain our momentum with 3500 or more fewer pilots. Not even the sodomizer can be that good... GP I am not sure that everyone comprehends that the big credit reduction is simply bringing credit back to 2012 levels and is like a 1.2% reduction. There is no more blood in the turnip! |
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 2857891)
I think the number of guys claiming they'll leave at 55 is akin to those who always make sure you know that "I have a business and this flying gig is just a hobby."
In other words they don't really mean it, but love to hear themselves say it. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2857894)
Someone on Facebook! There is your answer! We might be able to get to 11,000 pilots if we drop 200 aircraft from the fleet.
I am not sure that everyone comprehends that the big credit reduction is simply bringing credit back to 2012 levels and is like a 1.2% reduction. There is no more blood in the turnip! Nothing is gospel...ever. That said, I knew it was a major claim with nothing offered as proof. But, it’s Section 6 so every idea no matter how ridiculous is on the table. I’m in what appears to be your camp on this...without a major fleet reduction that statement won’t come true no matter how much management wants it. I agree the numbers just don’t make any lick of sense. GP |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2857886)
How do you eat an elephant?
I would look down the road, and apply the same gun that SWA put to the heads of the AirTran guys. At some point there will be a downturn in the economy... poor mouth will be cried... flying shifted to ensure survival.... done. It's a process. Look at it another way. Do you think the airline industry is in it's final form forever and ever? What do you think is the next step? If it is global consolidation, which do you think will happen: Virgin (for example) gets our pay rates and we get their health bennies? Or will the company (whaever it is called) starts shifting costs to the most cost effective points? It's mostly a thought exercise at this point, but I would wager that the industry is not in it's final form. Your opinion may differ. The only constant in this business is change so of course I don’t believe Delta as we know it today will be the same when I retire. That’s just life. But, you seem convinced a global merger of some kind will happen so I was asking if anything in the PWA expressly allows or forbids it. It’s not a trick question as I truly don’t know. GP |
Originally Posted by clear4approach
(Post 2857861)
Thats like 6 years of retirements with zero hiring. No way.
Agreed. The only thing I’ve heard close to this is they want to get us down to the same pilot/airframe ratio as AA which, allegedly, we have a ways to go to get to. GP |
Originally Posted by GuardPolice
(Post 2857909)
The only constant in this business is change so of course I don’t believe Delta as we know it today will be the same when I retire. That’s just life. But, you seem convinced a global merger of some kind will happen so I was asking if anything in the PWA expressly allows or forbids it. It’s not a trick question as I truly don’t know.
GP |
Originally Posted by GuardPolice
(Post 2857911)
Agreed. The only thing I’ve heard close to this is they want to get us down to the same pilot/airframe ratio as AA which, allegedly, we have a ways to go to get to.
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
(Post 2857911)
Agreed. The only thing I’ve heard close to this is they want to get us down to the same pilot/airframe ratio as AA which, allegedly, we have a ways to go to get to.
GP |
Weather looks to be good rest of the week in all the Hubs. Soon all will be back to normal and the panickly and outlandish posts will taper off[emoji23]
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Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 2857969)
Weather looks to be good rest of the week in all the Hubs. Soon all will be back to normal and the panickly and outlandish posts will taper off[emoji23]
Sent from my SM-G975U1 using Tapatalk ATL is a $h!t show today. Only 6 hrs and counting delayed on my ATL-MSP flight. |
Originally Posted by GuardPolice
(Post 2857773)
Someone on FB is claiming RG wants us down to 11000 or fewer pilots. How is that even remotely possible...if it’s true at all?
For a corporation that craves a premium brand image, I’m blown away if they truly feel we can maintain our momentum with 3500 or more fewer pilots. Not even the sodomizer can be that good... GP |
Originally Posted by Broncos
(Post 2858071)
If this were true, would we be actively hiring right now? No, we would not be.
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
(Post 2858093)
Maybe he does want 11,000, but not the same 11,000 he has now. :p
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The only thing I heard is that RG believes the airline can run with 500-1000 less pilots. Which can be done if we min run the staffing levels.
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Someone needs to clue in RG to the fact that this isn’t Endeavor.
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We need to have much stronger reroute pay and protection if this is RG plan for the future. Make it so cost prohibitive to reroute us that our schedules are not built with 3 and 4 hour sits. Or as Tracking sees it, as Airport Ready Reserve.
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I just hope we don't become like American. Almost every time I commute on them, the pilots are on some crazy reroute. Apparently they treat their lineholders like reserves constantly and there's no recourse.
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Originally Posted by SimWorld
(Post 2858248)
We need to have much stronger reroute pay and protection if this is RG plan for the future. Make it so cost prohibitive to reroute us that our schedules are not built with 3 and 4 hour sits. Or as Tracking sees it, as Airport Ready Reserve.
The RR abuse is hopefully forcing this issue to be a front burner must fix for C19. |
Ya seems the pwa sections that are gona need beefing up may not have been apparent on the survey.
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
(Post 2857911)
Agreed. The only thing I’ve heard close to this is they want to get us down to the same pilot/airframe ratio as AA which, allegedly, we have a ways to go to get to.
GP Pilot/airframe ratio is meaningless. Pilot/block hour ratio is what matters. |
Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
(Post 2858267)
I just hope we don't become like American. Almost every time I commute on them, the pilots are on some crazy reroute. Apparently they treat their lineholders like reserves constantly and there's no recourse.
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Just experienced all of the “joys” this thread is talking about. It’s a long story, but let’s just say me and another pilot will never extend our duty day ever again. This optimizing everyone’s schedule practice is going to bring our operation to a slow crawl if they continue this bs.
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