How is a buddy bid drop with pay accomplished? The mechanics...

He’s talking about buddy bidding with check airmen and then getting bought off to pick up whatever trips he wants.


GP

Ah, okay. Thanks. That can be done at a few other places as well...

It's VFR across the country. The struggle is still real out there?

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Will never happen. The vast majority of pilots extend their duty day, and are glad to do it. I do not see that changing. I've personally seen on a few occasions where the pilot I was flying with extended and I did not. Both times the other pilot said it's too much paperwork and talking on the phone. Crew tracking, duty pilot, chief pilot calls, and FCR must be submitted. The intimidation factor is too high for most.

We’re flying VFR now? I know the FOM does not prohibit it, but that came fast!
Makes sense to do that, seeing as how we can pretty much throw EDCTs out the window if we operate under VFR.
Perfect for the go home leg!!!

I like to learn from the experiences of others. I've never been asked to extend and don't expect I'll try doing so.

Day late and a dollar short, I know but help me out here...How was it self induced to any degree by the OCC? Not the idea people, just the poor saps that have to carry out the directive and get crushed if they cant people. 100% of it is induced by mahogany row...

At least on the bus, there are still massive amounts of open time each day for the next 2 weeks. I've seen GS #5 in ATL...

Yup.

I don’t do extensions anymore, either. The best that will come of it is that you get to your destination late and without needing to file an ASAP. It’s all down hill from there.

Just got some crazy 7 day reserve trip that's pieced together from ATL, SLC and SEA trips.

Lots of green slips flying on NYC 7ERB

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The extend is not your friend.

Zero upside, lots of potential downside.

You do you can fly IFR in VFR conditions, right? And, bonus, if it's VFR, arrival rates are at their max resulting in very few metering delays. You knew that I'm sure

This would be illegal under the contract. Please forward the rotation to contract admin unless it’s the original B361 SLC 7ER. If that is the case it’s simply a single rotation from SLC split and moved for coverage not multiple bases built into one rotation.

I was being a smarta$$. Trip—and subsequently you—confused VFR with VMC.
Yeah, I’m that guy. No apology offered. But I do buy drinks. :)

We need to get premium pay for extensions in the next contract

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No thanks. Not unless you want to pay me premium pay while deadheading on a flight with a tired crew who are trying to pay some extra bills. I don't want to incentivize flying tired or sick, myself.

What??? :eek:

First call should be to Delta scheduling...let the supervisor explain and then correct. If unsatisfied with their answer, then go to ALPA’s scheduling shop.

Much agreed

this is how incidents happen....

0656 27 Jul NYC if anyone wants to check its legality.

I'm at an Iron Maiden concert tonight so I'm probably not in the best place to try to talk to skeds

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Do you want accidents...because this is how you get accidents.

Up the Irons!! I'll be catching them in Philly next week!

I came up from Norfolk a day early to catch them in NYC.

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United has this in their contract. I don't see their planes falling out of the sky

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At this rate we are gona be seeing Delta pilot C8 clubs in every base. :)

Green Slip #6 was awarded NYC320A today......four day rotation.


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Now that's what you call ROLLING THUNDER [emoji298]

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Have you talked to your UAL buddies about it? I believe that this has very specific language that mostly impacts international guys. If I understand it correctly, it's only applicable on duty periods with one leg. EG...DTW-ATH but not DTW-ATL-ORD-ATL. An example was given...crew signs in for DTW-AMS but mx just found an issue and it's going to be hours before it's fixed. They would get 5 hours of pay if they extend their duty day to wait around for it to be fixed then fly the leg into an extension. A buddy said he's also heard of guys getting it on redeyes from HI or AK. Maybe a UAL guy will come along and correct me.

Bottom line, their rules wouldn't impact a vast majority of our extensions, and I wouldn't want to entice guys to extend because of the money...because they will. Along the same lines, I hope we never have the ability to sell our vacation (any more than we already can).

Just got on a real computer. Its showing it split from a SLC rotation

MiCrew was/is showing me with three different Captains from 3 bases over the course of the trip.

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After further evaluation you are absolutely correct. I agree that pursuing premium pay for domestic extensions would present a safety issue.

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The multiple captain thing isn’t exclusive to reserve anymore. I have/had that same thing for a PBS awarded rotation in each of the last few months. It’s one of their novel ways of balancing staffing throughout the system.


GP

It’s a nice trip actually since I like long trips.

I agree! I miss the 6 day trips out of EWR already!

More importantly... how was the show?!

Show was awesome.

Yes, that is Bruce with a flamethrower during Flight of Icarus. And a full motion Spitfire during Aces High. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...35a2a6f53e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5773fe517c.jpg

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Yes, at United add pay for extensions is only for duty periods with one leg. We do not get add pay in domestic ops (generally), I dont know of too many pilots that extend in that situation. Nothing good ever happens after that. One difference here is we have to opt in to extend. We get an acars message asking if we are able to extend- it is up to us to say yes or no. If no- off to the hotel.

My hat is off to you sir! Refreshing to see civil debate resolve productively.

Amen. Internet history right there!

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