Operation is running on red line
#201
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While we should be more in line with the rest of the airlines on this, and on top of it we had a very rough go to start (Delta’s fault), but this is the normal experience. Make the call and get rested. Remember that when you choose to extend, the state you are in is approaching inebriation, so factor that into the equation.
#202
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You can say what you want. The company has made it clear that they expect us to extend in most situations. Extending is the path of least resistance. As long as these things are true, majority of our guys are going to extend.
#205
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While we should be more in line with the rest of the airlines on this, and on top of it we had a very rough go to start (Delta’s fault), but this is the normal experience. Make the call and get rested. Remember that when you choose to extend, the state you are in is approaching inebriation, so factor that into the equation.
“... studies in the US have shown that when you limit [medical] residents to no more than a sixteen-hour shift, with at least an eight-hour rest opportunity before the next shift, the number of serious medical errors made—defined as causing or having the potential to cause harm to a patient—drops by over 20 percent.”
Additionally, some of the worse accidents and incidents in history had lack of sleep as major contributing factors:
Exxon Valdez:
“Early reports suggested that the captain was inebriated while navigating the vessel. Later, however, it was revealed that the sober captain had turned over command to his third mate on deck, who had only slept six out of the previous forty-eight hours,”
Chernobyl:
“ ... was the fault of sleep-deprived operators working an exhaustive shift, occurring, without coincidence, at one a.m.” [Yes, there were other factors - as always.]
Luckily not in the book:
A certain airline:
One pilot became ill immediately after takeoff. This resulted in the other two pilots not getting a rest break as they should have and not sleeping during the 9 hour all night flight. The end result was landing a wide body aircraft on a taxiway early in the morning. Fortunately there were no other aircraft on the normally busy taxiway.
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#207
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Some would say it is worse than being inebriated. Everyone should read “Why We Sleep” by Matthew Walker.
“... studies in the US have shown that when you limit [medical] residents to no more than a sixteen-hour shift, with at least an eight-hour rest opportunity before the next shift, the number of serious medical errors made—defined as causing or having the potential to cause harm to a patient—drops by over 20 percent.”
Additionally, some of the worse accidents and incidents in history had lack of sleep as major contributing factors:
Exxon Valdez:
“Early reports suggested that the captain was inebriated while navigating the vessel. Later, however, it was revealed that the sober captain had turned over command to his third mate on deck, who had only slept six out of the previous forty-eight hours,”
Chernobyl:
“ ... was the fault of sleep-deprived operators working an exhaustive shift, occurring, without coincidence, at one a.m.” [Yes, there were other factors - as always.]
Luckily not in the book:
A certain airline:
One pilot became ill immediately after takeoff. This resulted in the other two pilots not getting a rest break as they should have and not sleeping during the 9 hour all night flight. The end result was landing a wide body aircraft on a taxiway early in the morning. Fortunately there were no other aircraft on the normally busy taxiway.
“... studies in the US have shown that when you limit [medical] residents to no more than a sixteen-hour shift, with at least an eight-hour rest opportunity before the next shift, the number of serious medical errors made—defined as causing or having the potential to cause harm to a patient—drops by over 20 percent.”
Additionally, some of the worse accidents and incidents in history had lack of sleep as major contributing factors:
Exxon Valdez:
“Early reports suggested that the captain was inebriated while navigating the vessel. Later, however, it was revealed that the sober captain had turned over command to his third mate on deck, who had only slept six out of the previous forty-eight hours,”
Chernobyl:
“ ... was the fault of sleep-deprived operators working an exhaustive shift, occurring, without coincidence, at one a.m.” [Yes, there were other factors - as always.]
Luckily not in the book:
A certain airline:
One pilot became ill immediately after takeoff. This resulted in the other two pilots not getting a rest break as they should have and not sleeping during the 9 hour all night flight. The end result was landing a wide body aircraft on a taxiway early in the morning. Fortunately there were no other aircraft on the normally busy taxiway.
/sarc
#208
Another meltdown in progress. But we're properly staffed, right?
Had a brilliant one tonight- ARCOS called for a 2-day GS for an already delayed flight. Half way through the process, they cancelled the window. I notified ALPA scheduling (thanks, tunes!), and a CA is getting paid for that.
I looked it up, and they had rerouted another CA into it on the first leg of his trip. Knowing the CA and that he knows the contract, I figured he'd refuse it. He apparently did. 35 minutes later, I got another ARCOS call for the same flight on yet another 2 day rotation number.
Trying to go on the cheap, they had to pay 2 captains and delayed the flight an hour beyond the already delayed time.
Had a brilliant one tonight- ARCOS called for a 2-day GS for an already delayed flight. Half way through the process, they cancelled the window. I notified ALPA scheduling (thanks, tunes!), and a CA is getting paid for that.
I looked it up, and they had rerouted another CA into it on the first leg of his trip. Knowing the CA and that he knows the contract, I figured he'd refuse it. He apparently did. 35 minutes later, I got another ARCOS call for the same flight on yet another 2 day rotation number.
Trying to go on the cheap, they had to pay 2 captains and delayed the flight an hour beyond the already delayed time.
#209
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Another meltdown in progress. But we're properly staffed, right?
Had a brilliant one tonight- ARCOS called for a 2-day GS for an already delayed flight. Half way through the process, they cancelled the window. I notified ALPA scheduling (thanks, tunes!), and a CA is getting paid for that.
I looked it up, and they had rerouted another CA into it on the first leg of his trip. Knowing the CA and that he knows the contract, I figured he'd refuse it. He apparently did. 35 minutes later, I got another ARCOS call for the same flight on yet another 2 day rotation number.
Trying to go on the cheap, they had to pay 2 captains and delayed the flight an hour beyond the already delayed time.
Had a brilliant one tonight- ARCOS called for a 2-day GS for an already delayed flight. Half way through the process, they cancelled the window. I notified ALPA scheduling (thanks, tunes!), and a CA is getting paid for that.
I looked it up, and they had rerouted another CA into it on the first leg of his trip. Knowing the CA and that he knows the contract, I figured he'd refuse it. He apparently did. 35 minutes later, I got another ARCOS call for the same flight on yet another 2 day rotation number.
Trying to go on the cheap, they had to pay 2 captains and delayed the flight an hour beyond the already delayed time.
#210
They have to pay the senior person that accepted it for the window that was subsequently cancelled. Look up the callout number and send it to ALPA scheds. This is apparently happening a whole lot.
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