DL/Virgin Flying
08-19-2019, 09:45 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by The Rover
Not exactly sure what you're referencing. The DALPA Scope matters page says that since the inception of the Virgin Atlantic JV that our block hours between the U.S. and the U.K. are almost flat while Virgins has grown by 33%.
Delta also owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic, so DAL keeps most of the profits.
This gets addressed in the next TA or I'll vote no.
Scope............
Nothing else matters.
Delta also owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic, so DAL keeps most of the profits.
This gets addressed in the next TA or I'll vote no.
Scope............
Nothing else matters.
Yes, Virgin has added capacity across the Atlantic, but what ALPA doesn’t tell you is that VS has grown very little and has simply shifted flying from other markets to North America in support of the JV. The block hours their pilot group operates has been nearly flat since Delta purchased our 49% stake. I have a few contacts that fly over there and we discuss these issues occasionally.
That said, I’m in full support of comprehensive JV scope. I just felt compelled to call out ALPA’s slanted messaging.
08-19-2019, 11:58 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by RamenNoodles
This is somewhat disingenuous rhetoric by ALPA.
Yes, Virgin has added capacity across the Atlantic, but what ALPA doesn’t tell you is that VS has grown very little and has simply shifted flying from other markets to North America in support of the JV. The block hours their pilot group operates has been nearly flat since Delta purchased our 49% stake. I have a few contacts that fly over there and we discuss these issues occasionally.
That said, I’m in full support of comprehensive JV scope. I just felt compelled to call out ALPA’s slanted messaging.
Yes, Virgin has added capacity across the Atlantic, but what ALPA doesn’t tell you is that VS has grown very little and has simply shifted flying from other markets to North America in support of the JV. The block hours their pilot group operates has been nearly flat since Delta purchased our 49% stake. I have a few contacts that fly over there and we discuss these issues occasionally.
That said, I’m in full support of comprehensive JV scope. I just felt compelled to call out ALPA’s slanted messaging.
Where their additional JV block hours come from (new planes or shifting equipment) doesn’t really matter. Again, we should only be concerned about JV hours.
Denny
08-20-2019, 02:41 AM
#13
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"US-UK growth has gone almost exclusively to Virgin, and Delta now flies fewer flights between London LHR and New York JFK than it did before the JV."
Delta pilots could not care, because...[finish this sentence].
Until someone can tell me why I shouldn't care, I do. And since my job and other American jobs matter, I'm glad the MEC is petitioning those involved with Blue Skies approval.
Delta pilots could not care, because...[finish this sentence].
Until someone can tell me why I shouldn't care, I do. And since my job and other American jobs matter, I'm glad the MEC is petitioning those involved with Blue Skies approval.
08-20-2019, 04:36 AM
#14
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Originally Posted by The Rover
Not exactly sure what you're referencing. The DALPA Scope matters page says that since the inception of the Virgin Atlantic JV that our block hours between the U.S. and the U.K. are almost flat while Virgins has grown by 33%.
Delta also owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic, so DAL keeps most of the profits.
This gets addressed in the next TA or I'll vote no.
Scope............
Nothing else matters.
Delta also owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic, so DAL keeps most of the profits.
This gets addressed in the next TA or I'll vote no.
Scope............
Nothing else matters.
08-20-2019, 06:09 AM
#15
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Originally Posted by TED74
...or go the other way (or do both), and break down how much a pilot takes home from each JV's profit sharing/loss segment. I have no idea if Virgin nets me $5, $50 or $500 a year. Surely it's less than a GS, right?
I know this thread is about the Atlantic but that number made me realize that a JV doesn't increase my bank account by as much as operating one of those flights once in a year.
08-20-2019, 06:18 AM
#16
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JVs provide domestic feed too. Without those international flights, we wouldn’t have as many domestic ones, nor the domestic captains and first officers that fly them. The value to pilots is more than just profit sharing.
Nonetheless, we need equitable growth going forward with Aeromexico, Korean, and the rest. +Scope on this next contract
Nonetheless, we need equitable growth going forward with Aeromexico, Korean, and the rest. +Scope on this next contract
08-20-2019, 07:07 AM
#17
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Seems that most of our Scope language deals with minimum amounts of flying performed. We need language that deals with how growth will be split up. Seems that should of been codified when said JV was signed, oh well.......
Lets fix that Sh!t now!
Lets fix that Sh!t now!
08-20-2019, 09:53 AM
#18
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Originally Posted by The Rover
Seems that most of our Scope language deals with minimum amounts of flying performed. We need language that deals with how growth will be split up. Seems that should of been codified when said JV was signed, oh well.......
Lets fix that Sh!t now!
Lets fix that Sh!t now!
Denny
08-20-2019, 10:26 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by TED74
...or go the other way (or do both), and break down how much a pilot takes home from each JV's profit sharing/loss segment. I have no idea if Virgin nets me $5, $50 or $500 a year. Surely it's less than a GS, right?
08-20-2019, 12:18 PM
#20
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Originally Posted by spaaks
it's certainly less than the paycheck you would be getting if Delta had more widebody's of its own and you were on that instead of a narrow body.... Food for thought, UA has SFO 777 FO's at like 8 months on their latest vacancy award. $174/hr 2nd yr pay, $204/hr 3rd yr pay
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