I think it was 90 additional to whatever their Q4 hiring plan already was.

I miss read that then. I don't think even with 490 that keeps up with attrition for the year. So YoY we are a smaller pilot group with more airplanes and more block hours flown. Talk about a massive hit to QOL.

2018 had 353 planned age 65 retirements, but 473 actually left, so 33% more than planned.

2019 has 448 Age 65 retirements on the books, so using the extra 33%, its probably more like 596.

From Jan-Sept this year, 384 folks have left the list so far. Aveage has been 43 per month.

43/month x 4 remaining monhts = 172

384 + 172 = 556 so it appears we are on track for about 25% more than planned for 2019.

If we only hire 490 this year, we will be approx 69 new hires less than attrition.

Note: went to public school....math in public waiver.

What would be interesting to see is what positions they've retired off of and how many have been backfilled into those individual seats.

That’s the key to understanding which categories are more adversely affected by retirements. It would also be the best way to see how JVs are impacting our top-end jobs.


GP

I can guarantee you we retired way more widebody captains, to be filled by...wait for it...24 narrowbody captain slots.

Waiting for another management parroted “mic drop” from trip7

Of course he parrots mgmt....he was a 3 year Regional FO before coming here. Not to worry, Delta hires Captains......well sort of.

[QUOTE=Thruster;2884974]I can guarantee you we retired way more widebody captains, to be filled by...wait for it...24 narrowbody captain slots.

I’m not defending our current AE process, however, there were ~80 widebody Capts awarded in Jan, and ~390 awarded in Mar.

Did you miss the big bid and all the widebody captain slots? They covered all planned retirements for the year plus a factor for unplanned attrition. We are getting additional widebody positions in the next bid because they have accelerated A330 deliveries.

It’s not cool to disparage someone’s background. They are here and obviously jumped through the same hoops, that were required at the time, everyone else did.

While there is obviously a pecking order (not a chicken reference) of pilots, once hired, our past is a footnote - some may be more interesting than others.

I have been extremely impressed by everyone hired in the last five years that I have flown with.

Ask me if I care what you think Mr. Cool Police. Trip7 is a mgmt toad and i am more than willing to disparage him for his willingness to sell pilots out for his own personal gain. Go read some of his posts regarding scope ER flyer.

Pro tip: try disagreeing with someone *without* disparaging them. It’s a better way to live and interact with people.

Thanks for the advice Dalai Lama....its cute how you stick up for another man. Live your best life bro

What's wrong with toads?

Gopher

Try not to turn this into chit chat. If you dont agree with an opinion, argue with facts, not emotion. JMHO...no need to strike out at everyone who disagrees with you with insults

He is 1....count em...one, vote. He cant "sell" anyone out....unless of course the majority agrees with his "thoughts"
We also scream for a "pro/con" paper come memrat.....just look at his opinions as that...nothing more, nothing less

Too many hallucinogens. That and they peed on my hand too many times as a kid.

Question for all you training gurus. If I was displaced off the 88 last year and went to the 73. How long would I have to bid the 717 and just do a shortened course. 12 months? 36 months?

Care to divulge why you wanna leave the 73?

Not cool man. :)

Better seniority

Two questions:
1) Let’s say someone is awarded a new aircraft on this Sept AE, with training in February. Then they subsequently get awarded a new category on the Nov/Dec AE (assuming there’s a new category) with training in Mar/April. I assume they wouldn’t go to the first training? Is the previous award automatically cancelled?
2) the September AE is 210 days. Does this mean that training could begin anytime between Oct and Apr (7 months), or that conversion must occur in that time (in other words I’m wondering how late training could possibly start).

Thank you in advance!

Don't assume anything when it comes to skipping training because it seems nonsensical in the bigger picture. It could happen, but you could also go to training for two aircraft in the span of a few months. History is filled with silliness - ask some older folks you fly with and almost everyone has a story.


If there's not an easy solution to pulling you from training and putting someone else in that seat, the company could find your training preferable to paying/burning seat fillers...you'd do just fine in that role.

There is a long history here .... the affections of one reptile towards another reptile got one of our favorites, ACL65 in trouble with a moderator. No side boob, no reptiles procreating; this board has standards!

Oh and BTW, what sound does a horny toad make?

Wish we had more clarity as to what had been agreed to on the topic of "crew augmentation." I am assuming it is current book since there have been no headlines.

You’d have to do the full course. The short course is only available when going to the 717 directly from the -88.

A friend of mine had this exact scenario occur a few years ago. Was MD'd off the NYCM88 to the 73N, then awarded an AE for the 7ER before he went to training. The difference in conversion dates was two months, I think. The company was going to make him go to 73N training until he brought it to someone's attention that it didn't make sense(it wasn't automatic). He would only fly the 73N line for two weeks or so before going back to training.

They ended up cancelling his 73N training, putting him back on the non-existent NYCM88 line, and pay protecting him for the 73N. So basically he got two months off with pay, got a raise when he went to training, and then another one once he started flying the 7ER. The company got to use his training slot for someone who was actually going to fly the plane.

Well if you go around disparaging people on here you won't be doing it for long. Feel free to disagree with him, point out where he is wrong as often as you like but knock off the personal insults.

Scoop

Any bets on when the results and training timelines drop?

Results out by 5 today. Training won’t be out until Oct 31

Wouldn’t think this one would take long. If there’s an indoc class starting Monday, I agree with you. If not I say 5pm Monday. It is Friday, I think...

Thats fine Scoop. We are around the same seniority. I appreciate your point of view and demeanor. But let me ask you....did being calm and presenting facts do anything to change the mind of the yes voters on the Mec during TA1? Nope. Those same outliers then are now the Trip7s, checklistmonkey, and Bucks that defend mgmt and align their agendas with the other side. Thats fine too....they are entitled to their opinion. The problem ensues when they assume positions of power in either alpa or mgmt. Think it cant and doesnt happen? Trip7, checklistdonkey, buckorogers, and dumbsidedown are the “Squad” of Delta APC. Disparaging them is more useful than conversing with them with facts. Your way enables them and raises their platform. I will agree to disagree with you.

First off insulting other posters will detract from your arguments, not win anyone over to your point of view, and make you look foolish. If we allowed this type of posting APC would quickly devolve into another useless Forum with no real relevance.

You are much better off making those that you disagree with look foolish with sound logic and strong fact and opinion based arguments.

Secondly, we want contrarians on this Forum so that members can see the arguments that they are making and think about their response. An echo chamber where we all agree does nothing to help form and sharpen counter points - which we all benefit from.

Thirdly I believe SM on APC and other Forums played a huge part in the line Pilots defeating TA-1 - that is far more important than changing the mind of the few folks who you are referencing.

Finally it is against the TOS. Many things slide by that probably shouldn't but to paraphrase a wise Indian Chief "we Moderators are few, posters are many" and we can't possibly read and monitor every thread but if we receive complaints we will check it out and respond.

You are welcome here and we all look forward to your sharp and well thought out opinions and arguments but please take the insults and personal attacks elsewhere.

Scoop :)

Point taken Scoop. I appreciate the insight and constructive criticism. But let me leave you to ponder this. I preferred to punch the bully in the nose when he tried to take my lunch money in the school yard. It worked out a lot better for me than those who ran, tried to reason with him, or just forked it over. But i know we live in PC world and we cant do that anymore. We are all adults blah blah blah. All i ever needed to know i learned in 3rd grade.....keep it simple. Change you can believe in!

This assumes that a physical punch is an equal to written words as a deterrent... which couldn’t be farther from the truth.

Ok here we go. It was symbolism or figure of speech, metaphor, etc etc. It wasnt meant to be literal. Sheesh. Of course a punch is different than written words. I prefaced it with ponder this.

Are the people you insult bullying you? What a completely ludicrous comparison.

No, but they are trying to steal my lunch money.

Where’s Peoloto? :D

Agreed. Im done responding in this thread. Someone else can have the last word. Back to the September AE.....