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Originally Posted by gopher3
(Post 2890421)
Point taken Scoop. I appreciate the insight and constructive criticism. But let me leave you to ponder this. I preferred to punch the bully in the nose when he tried to take my lunch money in the school yard. It worked out a lot better for me than those who ran, tried to reason with him, or just forked it over. But i know we live in PC world and we cant do that anymore. We are all adults blah blah blah. All i ever needed to know i learned in 3rd grade.....keep it simple. Change you can believe in!
It might be worth letting the reader decide who is outside a normal spectrum. Certainly at least one poster named has some serious credibility issues, and reverses himself comically when reminded of facts. Then 2 weeks later he's on the same tear because there's a missing piece of critical thinking. |
Originally Posted by HTBH
(Post 2890315)
Any bets on when the results and training timelines drop?
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Originally Posted by WIPilot
(Post 2890425)
This assumes that a physical punch is an equal to written words as a deterrent... which couldn’t be farther from the truth.
Denny |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 2890646)
Well in the case of getting my lunch money stolen in third grade.....you are absolutely right, the physical punch was much more of a deterrent. :)
Denny |
Originally Posted by WIPilot
(Post 2890783)
This is my exact point. If you think words on a web forum will deter someone then you’re the one that really cares too much about web forums.:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by PassportPlump
(Post 2890855)
Yet when I say the words “I want to punch you in your suckhole” I get banned 3 days from the forum 🤷🏼*♂️
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Originally Posted by PassportPlump
(Post 2890855)
Yet when I say the words “I want to punch you in your suckhole” I get banned 3 days from the forum 🤷🏼*♂️
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When is the AE out?
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Originally Posted by PassportPlump
(Post 2890855)
Yet when I say the words “I want to punch you in your suckhole” I get banned 3 days from the forum 🤷🏼*♂️
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Originally Posted by WIPilot
(Post 2890962)
That just means you broke a rule on an Internet forum. 🤷🏼*♂️
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So.... how about those results?
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Sure seems to be taking the Company a long time to put out the results for a pretty small AE containing mainly new hire positions. They have turned small ones like these around in 24 hours before. Get the data....I bet it will show this is clearly a Section 6 status quo violation. 😁
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It’s out....
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Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2891986)
It’s out....
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How about that 10,000's seniority FO bidding from ATL7ER to ATLM88. :confused:
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
(Post 2891996)
How about that 10,000's seniority FO bidding from ATL7ER to ATLM88. :confused:
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I'm very confused. Currently ATL M88B, I bid NYC73NB with a percentage and ATL 73NB w/ no qualifiers, and a bunch of buddies I know did the same. There were junior pilots awarded both categories. I know in the AE there was a statement that I couldn't make sense of, but just ignored:
"If we see a high volume of pilots leaving the M88B, we will not fill the posted positions; instead backfilling departed pilots will consume the training resources over the next few months." ...but there were other ATL M88Bs that were awarded other categories. What in the actual ****?!?!?! So they can just ignore people's bids?! |
Originally Posted by Han Solo
(Post 2892002)
Probably wants a free move, he'll be MD'd soon enough.
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
(Post 2892002)
Probably wants a free move, he'll be MD'd soon enough.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2892006)
That’s a lot of work for a free move when the pay difference would have covered it and more. A 320 CA with a seniority number in the 800’s bid to MD88 CA in ATL also. Could hold 777CA.
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few of my friends on 88B were trying to bid off after the displacement was cancelled last month. Supposedly during the bid window, their iCrew showed NO Seat Lock/Freeze, but now post award, the Freeze is back to their new hire seat lock date....
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
(Post 2891996)
How about that 10,000's seniority FO bidding from ATL7ER to ATLM88. :confused:
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Originally Posted by gatorbuc99
(Post 2892004)
I'm very confused. Currently ATL M88B, I bid NYC73NB with a percentage and ATL 73NB w/ no qualifiers, and a bunch of buddies I know did the same. There were junior pilots awarded both categories. I know in the AE there was a statement that I couldn't make sense of, but just ignored:
"If we see a high volume of pilots leaving the M88B, we will not fill the posted positions; instead backfilling departed pilots will consume the training resources over the next few months." ...but there were other ATL M88Bs that were awarded other categories. What in the actual ****?!?!?! So they can just ignore people's bids?! |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2892030)
You had a ATL 73 bid in with no qualifiers and it went junior to you? And you aren’t under a seat lock?
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I’m in same boat. At least two other 88 F/Os I know of in same boat.
We would have seat locks but after the cancelled 88B displacements we were all under the impression the locks were cancelled. We were all affected by that. Called MEC office. What else can I do? |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2892029)
Or the sub 1k bidding to M88A from 320A or the 1k seniority bidding 220B. Different strokes for different folks but i cant figure it out.
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Originally Posted by bronco21016
(Post 2892041)
I’m in same boat. At least two other 88 F/Os I know of in same boat.
We would have seat locks but after the cancelled 88B displacements we were all under the impression the locks were cancelled. We were all affected by that. Called MEC office. What else can I do? |
Originally Posted by bronco21016
(Post 2892041)
I’m in same boat. At least two other 88 F/Os I know of in same boat.
We would have seat locks but after the cancelled 88B displacements we were all under the impression the locks were cancelled. We were all affected by that. Called MEC office. What else can I do? |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2892029)
Or the sub 1k bidding to M88A from 320A or the 1k seniority bidding 220B. Different strokes for different folks but i cant figure it out.
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Looked like pretty decent movement for such a small bid. SLC 220A went slightly junior. Next AE is going to be crazy
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Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 2892077)
Next AE is going to be crazy.
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Originally Posted by Jaww
(Post 2892080)
Dude. I hear that comment every AE. I don’t think it will.
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Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2892054)
Quick glance all i saw was 22.F.11 and i don’t see seat lock mentioned. I’d wait for contract admin to get back to you since they would be the experts here. Did they provide a PWA reference that you wouldnt have a seat lock when they canceled your displacement?
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Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2892054)
Quick glance all i saw was 22.F.11 and i don’t see seat lock mentioned. I’d wait for contract admin to get back to you since they would be the experts here. Did they provide a PWA reference that you wouldnt have a seat lock when they canceled your displacement?
After discussing options with Flight Operations and Crew Resources Leaders, we believe that the best decision to staff the incremental M88 aircraft time is to utilize Section 22 F. 15. of the PWA (below) to partially cancel the MDs and VDs of unconverted pilots to retain 60 crews on the M88 fleet. 15. If, prior to the conversion date, a posting of multiple VDs or MDs for the same category is partially canceled, such cancellations will be proffered and then assigned in the following order: a. proffered in seniority order among pilots who hold MDs, b. proffered in seniority order among pilots who hold VDs, c. assigned in seniority order among pilots who hold MDs, d. assigned in inverse seniority order among pilots who hold VDs. The positions that those pilots were awarded will be added to the next AE (likely in Q4, but this may move that AE earlier, potentially to October or Early November). All pilots who accept the proffer or are assigned to the M88 under PWA Section 22. F. 15 will not have a seat lock. |
Originally Posted by Jaww
(Post 2892080)
Dude. I hear that comment every AE. I don’t think it will.
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Now that I’m reading about freezes...
Most of the people I’m aware of in the same boat as me would not be subject to a category freeze anyway because of 22 G. 2. We have all been here greater than 12 months so we would be eligible to bid to another category provided our current category is not available in the desired base. The people I know of in this situation have all been trying desperately to bid out of Atlanta. |
My bet is the system had us seat locked incorrectly and they will have to run the bid again.
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Originally Posted by bronco21016
(Post 2892090)
July 23, 2019 email from Bob Schmelzer.
You are correct however that there does not seem to be a PWA reference. |
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 2892092)
We've had some pretty crazy AEs already. 6 month Captains, 2015 hires into the 330, silly junior Captains in Atlanta, Seniority 3000s into 350A. Just going to get crazier from here. Especially with the international expansion announced today
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