I believe he’s referring to the BOS expansion announcement

Ahhhhhhhh TYS

September AE
 

No...it was BOS [emoji16]


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Also curious about the jr M88B’s that didn’t get an AE. Have a buddy in that same situation. If anyone gets an answer let us all know!

And aren’t we still within six bid periods of some 88As getting MD’d? Shouldn’t they have been reinstated before AEs, assuming they’re box was checked?

Full disclosure: I have no idea what I am talking about and will look no sooner than the drink in my hand becoming an empty glass in my hand.

800 seniority guy will be #2 in the seat. Recently (last 5-7yrs) the top 5 seniority MD88 Capts are making lots of cash. Lots of high time credit trips, lots of 2 day/2 leg trips, lots of GS’s. Next 2 yrs could be very lucrative for Sr 88 guys, especially as things wind down and GSWC environment shows its head.

I was really wondering about this. A buddy of mine was MD'd in May and was trying to figure out if he could bid for an AE into a totally different category, or if reinstatement was his only option. Looking into 22G (or the whole contract, really), as far as I could tell, it never actually says that getting awarded an MD removes a seat lock, only that those awarded an AE or VD (or new hires) incur one.

Since it sounds like there are guys that were affected by this, I wonder how the company and the union will work this one. I could see both interpretations: From the company's view, a cancelled displacement or a reinstatement puts you right back where you were...with a seat lock. ALPA could just as well say that historically, an MD wipes out any pilot's seat lock and it's the companies fault they didn't plan correctly.

I don’t see how they cannot re-run this AE. Regardless if they do/do not go back on their word of “no seat locks”...many (if not all) 88FOs are beyond the first 12 months and could bid off to another base anyway. It’s almost like the computer “re-seatlocked” everyone who were brought back.

#841 was the #1 M88 Capt in NYC for quite a while and a commuter from New England. and one of the nicest people you could hope to fly with. Maybe he found the A320 too comfortable and boring and just wanted to finish out his DL career flying his long-time trusty machine? 😊

More likely than anything I suggested or heard yet. Unless he really just wants a free move to PTC some day for that glorious retirement.

...with the caveat that they would have to move to another base. Nothing in ATL. It'd be simple enough to bid, say, NYC73N and then back to ATL in Nov/Dec, though.

I hope for your guy's sake that you get out. I don't mean to gloat or anything, but I'm super glad I'm not in your shoes!

Crew resources has been quiet on this...anybody get any feedback yet?

A bunch of M88Bs have been in touch with them and Contract Admin, they're working on it is pretty much what I surmise.

A email from ALPA seems to confirm they screwed up. I sent an email to crew resources this morning and haven’t heard anything back. It seems like they will have to manually redo the AE but we’ll see what happens. This seemed like a relatively simple award too compared to what lies ahead...

Maybe it's time for the company to send someone in Crew Resources to observe United's process. They get a live snapshot of results while bidding is open and get the final result MUCH quicker than us (with less errors!).

There are a few things from United we could stand to copy/paste to our process.

Apparently 88B has turned into amateur comedy hour/clown show. First they cancel the displacements (which IMHO should have never been done), then they totally dick up the AE giving the same guys a chance to leave. Wow. Thank you sir may I have another!?

Hotel California fellas...You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave!

Our whole AE system needs a significant overhaul. Even when they get burned by it they're still so enamored with its theoretical "flexibility" that the reaction seems to be "still worth it!"

This truly may be a win-win opportunity for us to save them from themselves by forcing significantg changes to the system.

"Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggghhhhhhht"
--Dr. Evil (1997)

I can’t wait for this weeks episode of “real talk with captain gumm” titled “The truth behind the AE results.”

It’s getting to be quite funny watching the union send out a communication followed by these “real talk” episodes going the exact opposite direction.

If they can’t process an AE correctly in which the results are essentially supposed to be where can we put new hires...hen they are screwed in 2021 when their AE produces 1700 training events.

It’s just surprising they didn’t have more visibility on the guys affected from the MD cancellation. “Gee guys, these results are so strange...not one of the cancelled MD guys decided to leave after all!”

It does seem like the company is making it right, so we’ve got that going for us.

Bingo!

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It seems like mgmt is determined to keep the 88 guys in place at all costs in order to keep things staffed next year. Even if it results in a contract violation. Maybe they will rerun it for those guys, but I doubt it.

They re-ran it....sort of.

Those affected were contacted by CR and told they were affected by an error in automation related to new hire freezes. They were then given the option to take the award they should have been given or stay on the ATLM88B.

Ummmmmm....soooo....who elected to stay after telling CR they were denied their AE??? 😁

Weren't they talking about replacing iCrew by the end of this year (don't mean to make anyone laugh too hard)? It would be ideal if they could just use FLICA as other airlines have for scheduling needs. I was hoping to see greater progress made with the MiCrew app, but it seems stuff lags forever. The ole Doing Everything Like The Amish seems to hold true these days...

Mongo

Are they going to post the revised results?

Yes, according to the Weekly Update.


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Good. At least they did the right thing giving them the option to leave the 88.

These guys have it made now. They get to see where they would land on a new category and how many New Hire spots are being added to the 88. The know exactly how they will end up in whatever category they choose.

Pay protect those current 88Bs for forfeited equipment if they elect to stay on the dog. That would be making it right.

They made it right plus a bit by giving them the option to change their mind. Seems your management theory was wrong.

So it wasn’t willful disregard for the AE process, it was incompetence and inability to properly run a very small AE that lead to the mistake. Is that what you are saying?

I hope every time you make a mistake during CQ or on a line check that the evaluator criticizes you in this exact tone.

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Very hard to compare those. From my understanding, many people and groups are involved here to include ALPA. Company definitely owned up and fixed it they best way they could, but their IT flubs seem to continue with no real solution.

Rarely should one attribute to malice what can be explained by mistakes or incompetence.

All of us see mistakes from the Delta system frequently enough that suspecting nefarious behavior from the company every time something odd happens seems a bit excessive. Evil geniuses, or bumbling buffoons? I think the answer is somewhere in between, and that mistakes explain more than conspiracies.

4-D chess! The truth is out there!

This was my point. I’m seeing a lot of this lately. We are in this situation due to the walking back the mistake of prematurely displacing 88 guys, correct? I’m saying there seems to be a lot of “whoops, my bad” over the last 6 months. The mistakes are piling up and they have direct and long lasting effects on our lives. My confidence in the companies ability to handle the staffing challenges we face over the next few years is eroding. Of course I own my mistakes in life, but I also know that only goes so far before your words fall on deaf ears.

There was no premature displacements for 88 crews. Network elected after the crews were displaced to add block hours for next year and they had to compensate for A321 NEO delays. The alternative would have been a reduction in system wide block hours and a reduction in hiring this winter.

So as the 88 pilots who take other categories (as they should have been able to in the first run) will that then change any of the already awarded slots for others? Or will they just carry some small and temporary overages? If someone is "bumped" from an award from this AE, will they then be displaced, or will it simply be undone?