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Old 09-03-2019 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
I've been. Walked into an Afghan restaurant and was treated like a king by both the husband and wife that ran it.
I had them as students in the early '60's, in a PanAm program. They for the most part, have always been pro-American. I think a few ran away with a Cherokee maiden or two.
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Old 09-03-2019 | 12:27 PM
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Guys,

Enough with the racism stuff, stay on topic or we will close this thread. And please if someone posts something agains the TOS do not quote it.

Thanks Scoop
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Old 09-03-2019 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Sounds like Bernie Sanders talking points. Let me ask. Does "reinvigorated" and "buoyed" also mean casting off the ridiculous notion that new high school graduates should shun true skilled professions like machinist, mechanic, electrician, welder, plumber, etc, and should instead invest years of their life (and six figures of debt) to pursue a worthless degree in sociology and communications?

I don't think the "rich people are evil" crowd is preaching that...though they should.
Those skilled professions you speak of are valuable and those careers and others like them would be "reinvigorated", be more lucrative if policies supported the middle class. The vast majority of the population's lives would be "buoyed" regardless of the career, with the emphasis not on the investor/shareholder/executive class and protecting money, but on the working class. Call them Bernie Sanders "talking points" if you want, but I don't see the younger generation waiting around for their share to trickle down to them
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Old 09-04-2019 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
Hold on. Why are we blaming colleges for merely offering a service. Colleges haven't been cutting state budgets which help offset the cost of tuition. Colleges aren't sitting in boardrooms demanding their most competitive hires have bachelor or masters degree. Colleges aren't sitting at kitchen tables telling kids they need to attend. There are certainly problems at University in this country (like making millions off the backs of "student-athletes" for virtually nothing), but most problems are the result of bad policy and capitalism.
Colleges won't be offering the 'services' as you put if they weren't guaranteed to be paid. If banks weren't guaranteed to be paid, they wouldn't loan money for ridiculous degrees that have pathetic ROIs. You are right that parents are to partly to blame, but if colleges got back to legitimate education things would improve.
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Old 09-04-2019 | 09:12 AM
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Colleges are in the business of making money, just like corporations, hospitals and religions. They’ve seen unlimited funding through the government-subsidized student loan industry and have responded like any profit-seeking entity with no downward pressure on costs: They’ve raised their prices. And in doing so hired a bloated level of “administrators” that didn’t even exist 30 years ago (along with spas and climbing walls.)
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Old 09-04-2019 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by gatorbuc99
Call them Bernie Sanders "talking points" if you want, but I don't see the younger generation waiting around for their share to trickle down to them
Thats where you are wrong, there is not "share" owed to them. Nothing is preventing them from building their own wealth other than bad financial planning and self induced debt.

People complaining about degradation of the quality of life in this country need to point fingers at what really caused it and the notion that people at the top are "hoarding the wealth" (which is not possible anyway given wealth is created and not finite) is not the reason. People are making less because someone decided we should allow jobs to go all around the world to save money and at the same time continually let in millions of low skilled, low educated workers who are willing to do jobs for half of what the natives were doing them for. I hear people saying "illegals do the jobs natives don't want to do". Well why don't they want to do them? Simple, the pay is crap and you can raise the minimum wage all day long but that's not gonna matter when farmer Joe hires day laborers who are paid scraps under the table. It's that way in pretty much in every industry to some degree.
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Guys,

Enough with the racism stuff, stay on topic or we will close this thread. And please if someone posts something agains the TOS do not quote it.

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Who said anything about racism?

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Colleges are in the business of making money, just like corporations, hospitals and religions. They’ve seen unlimited funding through the government-subsidized student loan industry and have responded like any profit-seeking entity with no downward pressure on costs: They’ve raised their prices. And in doing so hired a bloated level of “administrators” that didn’t even exist 30 years ago (along with spas and climbing walls.)
It's comical that people think the government paying for it will somehow make those costs go down and not skyrocket even more same with healthcare. One only needs to look at how medicare is run to see our future on that kind of system.

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Old 09-04-2019 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Slaphappy
It's comical that people think the government paying for it will somehow make those costs go down and not skyrocket even more same with healthcare. One only needs to look at how medicare is run to see our future on that kind of system.
The rest of the western world pays way less per health care per citizen and has healthier citizens who live longer. That’s objectively true. A large reason for it is they don’t have a massive insurance industry that has CEOs and shareholders to pay. I have no idea how to realistically fix it, nor does anyone, but what’s comical is claiming our healthcare system is overall “better” than Canada, Norway, Japan, etc. ask anyone from those countries if they’d like to model what we have here.
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Old 09-04-2019 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Colleges are in the business of making money, just like corporations, hospitals and religions. They’ve seen unlimited funding through the government-subsidized student loan industry and have responded like any profit-seeking entity with no downward pressure on costs: They’ve raised their prices. And in doing so hired a bloated level of “administrators” that didn’t even exist 30 years ago (along with spas and climbing walls.)
If you want to see college tuition come back down to more reasonable levels...the government just needs to stop guaranteeing the loans. If the lenders have to carry the risk, they’ll be less likely to loan $300K to an 18 year old persuing a degree in Oriental history. I think I’m saying the same thing you are.

My niece is looking at colleges right now. My brother in law told me that the “dorms” these days at college are more like condos. Students have amazing amenities in their buildings with cafes and such, instead of a food hall that serves 3 meals a day, at certain times, and if you miss the meal, you’re cooking ramen on your hot plate. The entire student college experience has gotten a LOT more expensive.
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Old 09-04-2019 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Colleges won't be offering the 'services' as you put if they weren't guaranteed to be paid. If banks weren't guaranteed to be paid, they wouldn't loan money for ridiculous degrees that have pathetic ROIs. You are right that parents are to partly to blame, but if colleges got back to legitimate education things would improve.
I didn’t read your quote when I posted. Sorry James. I agree 100%. If the Govt. stopped backing the loans, more rational prices would follow.
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Old 09-04-2019 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
The high school I went to still teaches wood/metal shop, FAA and has programs to spend your sophomore-senior year learning trade (off site). The school system in the city I currently live in has a program for high school kids to graduate with an A&P. They have lots of other programs such as automotive repair, carpentry, business, entrepreneurship, etc... The programs are there, it's just whether kids are willing to capitalize on such opportunities. I'm sure some of it is being unsure of what they want to do in life, but I'm betting a lot of it is the stigma of "who" goes to such programs.
One problem with highschool votech programs. It keeps the market flooded with the youngest and dumbest. This by itself artificially lowers wages. From a current pilots perspective, it's perfectly okay to let someone who can't read or do math become an A&P in highschool. How would you feel if they started providing CPLs upon graduation. I bet it wouldn't be seen as benevolent. I'm sure that many here would choose another career because of the type of people it would attract.
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