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4fans 01-24-2020 04:20 AM


Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 2963088)
What’s the expectation for new hires in the next 3-5 months fleet wise? I imagine from what I read mostly 320s jfk a few
737 our o f there and Detroit and a sprinkle of 765?

I would expect 320 737 220 717 and 7ER. You won’t see 765 go to new hires anytime soon I don’t think.

FL370esq 01-24-2020 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by weekendflyer (Post 2962944)
im a 12,500, I bid 717A at 90 percent, who knows....

Solely out of curiosity, why 90% and not just bid without restriction? The (older) conventional wisdom was to use 80%-85% because that was the cusp of line-holding (well, except for these bizzaro-world categories where reserve goes senior). Again, just curious.

weekendflyer 01-24-2020 04:30 AM


Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 2963088)
What’s the expectation for new hires in the next 3-5 months fleet wise? I imagine from what I read mostly 320s jfk a few
737 our o f there and Detroit and a sprinkle of 765?

maybe a couple 7ER I don’t see 765 going to a new hire just yet...

Trip7 01-24-2020 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by weekendflyer (Post 2963096)
maybe a couple 7ER I don’t see 765 going to a new hire just yet...

Agreed, with the 765 transitioning back to more intl flying after the cabin refresh I think all vacancies will be bid. However, the 2 year freeze on new hires does make things a bit more interesting. Folks at 2 years will have a plethora of opportunities better than plug or near plug 765 NYC so IMO I'm not ruling it out completely on this bid. Situations like this will get more interesting on subsequent bids. Now I see why BS was predicting new hires on the 330 sometime in the future

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Abouttime2fish 01-24-2020 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by 4fans (Post 2963092)
I would expect 320 737 220 717 and 7ER. You won’t see 765 go to new hires anytime soon I don’t think.

y’all are forgetting all the M88B spots, enjoy!

avi8tor220 01-24-2020 05:05 AM

I know the option in Icrew where you can see how many senior to you have a bid in for a seat is not very accurate but is it a good guide? For instance I checked NYC717A and there are only 9 people senior to me that has it for their first choice. So if there is say 35 openings for NYC717A on an AE is it safe to say I’ll get it? Sorry for the dumb question.

TED74 01-24-2020 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by avi8tor220 (Post 2963115)
I know the option in Icrew where you can see how many senior to you have a bid in for a seat is not very accurate but is it a good guide? For instance I checked NYC717A and there are only 9 people senior to me that has it for their first choice. So if there is say 35 openings for NYC717A on an AE is it safe to say I’ll get it? Sorry for the dumb question.

I wish it weren't, but I still think it is relatively useless. A lot of those second or third preferences might still take a slot you thought would be open. As an example, they could have 777a as their first or second choice and 717A as second...or third...or fifth.

sailingfun 01-24-2020 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2963136)
I wish it weren't, but I still think it is relatively useless. A lot of those second or third preferences might still take a slot you thought would be open. As an example, they could have 777a as their first or second choice and 717A as second...or third...or fifth.

Many of those bids will have restrictions and not be awarded. I suspect he has a good chance of getting the bid. He will know next Friday I would guess.

BlueSkies 01-24-2020 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by avi8tor220 (Post 2963115)
I know the option in Icrew where you can see how many senior to you have a bid in for a seat is not very accurate but is it a good guide? For instance I checked NYC717A and there are only 9 people senior to me that has it for their first choice. So if there is say 35 openings for NYC717A on an AE is it safe to say I’ll get it? Sorry for the dumb question.

I had the same question. In my current category there's an alarmingly large number of people senior to me bidding it. But I just don't know how much I can trust it.

Also, it's only a snapshot. Anyone is free to change their bid up to the last minute before it closes so that's another factor to consider.

FL370esq 01-24-2020 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by avi8tor220 (Post 2963115)
I know the option in Icrew where you can see how many senior to you have a bid in for a seat is not very accurate but is it a good guide? For instance I checked NYC717A and there are only 9 people senior to me that has it for their first choice. So if there is say 35 openings for NYC717A on an AE is it safe to say I’ll get it? Sorry for the dumb question.

Here is the "fun" part of that screen....

Let's say the company posted 25 vacancies for MSP717A and, you look in iCrew on the AE screen and see there are only 24 pilots total that are senior to you with an AE bid for MSP717A. In theory, despite it looking like a certainty, you may not get the award if the company only decided to fill 20 of the 25 vacancies due to excessive training churn. However, as SF said, many of those senior to you probably have some type of qualifier associated with their bid that won't be honored as the AE process churns through so, the numbers you see senior to you are, most likely, an inflated snapshot. As always, bid what you want and want what you bid because you just might get it. But, along the same lines, don't avoid bidding something you want just because there are 180 pilots senior to you with bids in. You would be amazed how quickly many of those 180 are bypassed on an AE run due to qualifiers.


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