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crewdawg 01-24-2020 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2963136)
I wish it weren't, but I still think it is relatively useless. A lot of those second or third preferences might still take a slot you thought would be open. As an example, they could have 777a as their first or second choice and 717A as second...or third...or fifth.

It's only useless if you look at it as a single snapshot. It's not as easy now with bids so sporadic, but a few years back, watching it over multiple bids, it can be relatively useful. I was awarded my current position with 160 people senior to me bidding it. But since I had been watching the data over multiple bids, I was nearly certain I would get the position. Basically it never changed from 160 people senior bidding, but the seniority of the people being awarded it kept getting more and more junior.

Iceberg 01-24-2020 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2963136)
I wish it weren't, but I still think it is relatively useless. A lot of those second or third preferences might still take a slot you thought would be open. As an example, they could have 777a as their first or second choice and 717A as second...or third...or fifth.

Could you clarify my understanding of this? It only shows the number of pilots with a category as their first selection and not those with it as second or further down, correct? In your example, the pilots with 777A in first and 717A next would not show for someone checking on 717A?

Banzai 01-24-2020 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 2962919)
With 10-12 TRIPS not percent out of almost 600 total trips on the 320 commutable in NY it’s not a commuter friendly base. The only thing that keeps me there is there are other perks with seniority. Ive got a few bids in with percentage qualifiers. If I’m going to lose days on front or back ends of trips I might as well get paid $80 more per hour.

Until Aug ‘18 I was commuting to NYC by choice on the 320. 12% seniority, holidays off, vacation of choice, practically writing my schedule. Then abruptly the company quit building commutable trips.
Luckily the MOAB had also posted, so I bid out.
Anecdotally, my trips didn’t have less credit. But I did DH a lot more for the couple of months I had to do that garbage.

FL370esq 01-24-2020 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 2963182)
Could you clarify my understanding of this? It only shows the number of pilots with a category as their first selection and not those with it as second or further down, correct? In your example, the pilots with 777A in first and 717A next would not show for someone checking on 717A?

Nope...TED had it correct. If you put ATL777A as your #1 choice and NYC717A as your second, and you are senior to me, when I check NYC717A on the AE menu, you would be one of the pilots senior to me with 717A as your second choice.

TED74 01-24-2020 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 2963182)
Could you clarify my understanding of this? It only shows the number of pilots with a category as their first selection and not those with it as second or further down, correct? In your example, the pilots with 777A in first and 717A next would not show for someone checking on 717A?

For any given category, you can see people who have it listed first (9 in the example), but also how many have it listed second or third. Many people will get their second or fourth choice, as many have highly improbable bids high in their hierarchy (because... why not?). Crewdog finds the tool relatively useful, and I find it relatively useless. I've never had it influence my own bid and find it nothing more than a novelty as implemented.

BWYWAWWYB.

crewdawg 01-24-2020 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2963205)
Crewdog finds the tool relatively useful, and I find it relatively useless. I've never had it influence my own bid and find it nothing more than a novelty as implemented.

BWYWAWWYB.

I should add, it has zero impact on my bids. I put in the 330B bid when I was indoc and would just check it before every AE and compare it with the results. I just was able to predict, with relative confidence, I was going to get the award. Once I got the 330 award, I put in my Captain bids. Watching it HAS caused me readjust by percentage bids because I felt I was getting to close to being awarded one of my Captain bids. That said, with the current shenanigans going on in the domestic system, I have actually pulled my Captain bids.

TED74 01-24-2020 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2963213)
I should add, it has zero impact on my bids. I put in the 330B bid when I was indoc and would just check it before every AE and compare it with the results. I just was able to predict, with relative confidence, I was going to get the award. Once I got the 330 award, I put in my Captain bids. Watching it HAS caused me readjust by percentage bids because I felt I was getting to close to being awarded one of my Captain bids. That said, with the current shenanigans going on in the domestic system, I have actually pulled my Captain bids.

Here's where I think an AE reasons report would be useful. I'm sure it exists somewhere... it would be nice for we peasants to have access to it after every AE.

bohicagain 01-24-2020 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2962980)
If you live in NYC or have a easy commute might be a fun gig for 2 years even being on RSV. Especially if you get Int'l trips. Crazy times we're living in that it's even a possibility below 20 years on property

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Yup, crazy times. I still have 2+ years till I'm 40. When I started I thought NB A in NYC by 40 but never this.
I'm 90% out ...still debating with myself and the fam. I'm will go on icrew and see what they bottom 5% have been doing since August.

Trip7 01-24-2020 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by bohicagain (Post 2963221)
Yup, crazy times. I still have 2+ years till I'm 40. When I started I thought NB A in NYC by 40 but never this.

I'm 90% out ...still debating with myself and the fam. I'm will go on icrew and see what they bottom 5% have been doing since August.

I must say, would be real cool to be in command of a Delta 767 across the ocean under 40. But the coolness must be weighed against potentially rough QOL for 2 years. Definitely 1st world problems

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sailingfun 01-24-2020 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2963176)
Here is the "fun" part of that screen....

Let's say the company posted 25 vacancies for MSP717A and, you look in iCrew on the AE screen and see there are only 24 pilots total that are senior to you with an AE bid for MSP717A. In theory, despite it looking like a certainty, you may not get the award if the company only decided to fill 20 of the 25 vacancies due to excessive training churn. However, as SF said, many of those senior to you probably have some type of qualifier associated with their bid that won't be honored as the AE process churns through so, the numbers you see senior to you are, most likely, an inflated snapshot. As always, bid what you want and want what you bid because you just might get it. But, along the same lines, don't avoid bidding something you want just because there are 180 pilots senior to you with bids in. You would be amazed how quickly many of those 180 are bypassed on an AE run due to qualifiers.

In addition this bid will produce a large number of secondary bids. A category with 25 posted positions could see 45 awarded positions. It’s also not as simple as the company deciding not to award bids because of training churn. If they choose to do that with current staffing levels they would need to reduce the planned summer block hours in that category. That’s not likely with the Max now dead until fall.


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