Originally Posted by Trip7

Some how posting positively about TA'd sections was taken as "caving to management". It's going to be an interesting negotiating period. Thankfully we already have a great contract.

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Originally Posted by newKnow

When the company terminated your pension plan, were they “really negotiating?” Or, did you just wake up one day and find out you had lost $100,000 for every year that you lived past the age of 60?



Or, how about in C2012 when the company included an offer to buy SWA/AirTrans 717’s, when we knew they wanted them whether we ratified the agreement, or not. Was that really negotiating?



Same thing for the early retirement plan offer and drawdown of the 50 seat RJ’s. Things that they already wanted were included as “improvements” to our contract. Was that really negotiating?



Finally, how about in 2015 when they tried to offer us pay raises that were to be paid with the money we would have given up with the loss of our profit sharing?



So now, in 2020, when the company is making so much money that they can buy ownership of airlines, buy stock back, and give pay raises to other employee groups, while doing nothing to fix the debacle that occurred last summer, (other than to reduce the amount of summer vacation weeks for us), if our union isn’t “really negotiating” when it comes to restoration of our (as in everyone’s) retirements, vacations,

schedule flexibility, and other contract improvements, I’m fine with it.



Taking a hard line like that is long overdue.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Great post. To understand exactly what’s going on we need to see our opener. Now that management has withdrawn from negotiations there is no reason not to publish it with the costing data.

Originally Posted by ERflyer

Completely agree.

Let’s stop with the paternalistic, “We know what’s best for you so we’re not going to tell you what’s really going on.” We don’t need windy Negotiator Notepads, Chairmen Letters, or Flight Operations Memos. Show us the openers, counter offers and costing data.

DALPA: “Make no mistake, the size of ALPA's ask is significant.“ Put your complete position out in public and let us see. Is your ask so “significant” that even a unicorn flying over a rainbow couldn’t get there? Last time we at least knew our position. This time we don’t know - anything really.

The company also needs to clearly show us their table position. Show us how valuable, or not, you think we are.

To both sides:
Show us real numbers.
We have a need to know.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

Why'd we get rid of the broken bone, acute condition exclusion for sick leave? I thought were going to expand the exclusions, not eliminate them altogether.

I thought this was the no concession team? That's a pretty big give to save 2 phone calls to scheduling when sick.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Great post. To understand exactly what’s going on we need to see our opener. Now that management has withdrawn from negotiations there is no reason not to publish it with the costing data.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

Why'd we get rid of the broken bone, acute condition exclusion for sick leave? I thought were going to expand the exclusions, not eliminate them altogether.

I thought this was the no concession team? That's a pretty big give to save 2 phone calls to scheduling when sick.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

Why'd we get rid of the broken bone, acute condition exclusion for sick leave? I thought were going to expand the exclusions, not eliminate them altogether.

I thought this was the no concession team? That's a pretty big give to save 2 phone calls to scheduling when sick.

Originally Posted by tunes

our opener was published months ago...the only table position we don't have is what the company said we are worth.