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Old 01-09-2020, 12:08 PM
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I'd love to see the union release these table positions JG speaks of in his email so that the pilot group can see what the company thinks they are worth....especially the company's section 23 position like mentioned in the Negotiators Notepad.
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Old 01-09-2020, 12:12 PM
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JG probably should have read the NC memo before writing his... just the section 23 alone shows what they really think of us.
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Old 01-09-2020, 12:13 PM
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Why not just show us the opener?

Instead of non productive correcting the inaccuracies.

I thought there was "NDA" clauses?

The company is just delaying this.
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Old 01-09-2020, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AirbusPTC View Post
The word on the street is that the three company negotiators HAVE ZERO experience negotiating.

Sounds like an ALPA play book.

We should take this delay and hire professional negotiators.
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Old 01-09-2020, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr View Post
Do you own an Apple or Microsoft product? Why don't you Google "Apple cash hoard" and perhaps "Apple stock buybacks" (or substitute Microsoft for either) and get back to me as to how Delta is uniquely evil in this realm. I think stock buybacks are useless, but Delta is far from an outlier.
I never said "evil". Western companies are amoral, there's a huge difference.

No, I don't own Apple or Microsoft products, or use Google, and haven't for years (with the exception of a PC Microsoft operating system...too old to bother with Linux).

If the best the company can come up with is to borrow money and service debt for billion dollar stock buybacks to short-term boost stock prices, I'd say the union is perfectly justified using that cash-spent-on-buybacks as a decent yardstick for contract improvements.

IMHO. This looks to be a long, protracted negotiation. That's fine.
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Old 01-09-2020, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dbrownie View Post
Sounds like an ALPA play book.

We should take this delay and hire professional negotiators.
We do use professional negotiators.
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Old 01-09-2020, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7 View Post
Capt Graham has emailed a rebuttal to the pilot group. Said Ryan's letter contained several inaccuracies, including the $28 million quote

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You must be very relieved to read some words from him on this.
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Old 01-09-2020, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco View Post
Obviously you didn’t get the point if the post. Either way, it isn’t me you have to try and convince.
I'm sorry if I missed the point of your post. What was it?
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Old 01-09-2020, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
We do use professional negotiators.

Really since when?

Glad I was wrong!
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Old 01-09-2020, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dbrownie View Post
Really since when?

Glad I was wrong!
They are ALPA labor attorneys. They assist with all the ALPA pilot groups when asked.

The last time we used outside negotiators was C2K which met with mixed reviews as far as their performance. Although C2K is considered the bell cow for us, it also only had a low 60’s pass rate pro negotiators and all.
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