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02-09-2020 | 03:49 PM
#121
Gets Weekends Off
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From: 737 FO
I don't necessarily judge people for flying greenslips, but I do judge people who fly them and then try to pretend they don't have the impact that they do. Fly them if you want, as they are part of the contract, but don't get on some soap box and pretend that they don't actually impact the operation and how the company handles staffing.
02-09-2020 | 04:33 PM
#122
Can't abide NAI
Joined: Jun 2007
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Cargo door does not factor in for times on the bus.... and we SE taxi on the left engine. If something forces you to have to SE taxi on the right engine on the bus, it is only allowable for long enough to get to a place to start the other engine.
The 737 SE taxis on the right engine. I think that's the only fleet that does.
The 737 SE taxis on the right engine. I think that's the only fleet that does.
But yes, the cargo door definitely is triggering the IN times. Watch it next time you fly a 320.
02-09-2020 | 04:36 PM
#123
Racketeer
Joined: Mar 2015
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From: N60.4858 W149.9327
Attitudes like this are part of the problem. Greenslips allow the company to operate with fewer reserves and fewer pilots, they affect how the schedules are built and how the company views preparedness. So yes, they do affect me.
I don't necessarily judge people for flying greenslips, but I do judge people who fly them and then try to pretend they don't have the impact that they do. Fly them if you want, as they are part of the contract, but don't get on some soap box and pretend that they don't actually impact the operation and how the company handles staffing.
I don't necessarily judge people for flying greenslips, but I do judge people who fly them and then try to pretend they don't have the impact that they do. Fly them if you want, as they are part of the contract, but don't get on some soap box and pretend that they don't actually impact the operation and how the company handles staffing.
02-09-2020 | 06:06 PM
#125
Da Hudge
Joined: Oct 2006
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From: Poodle Whisperer
I just looked at that the other day on a hard time day where we over blocked (actually numerous times over the years), and I recycled the brake to grab an extra minute or 2 as we waited for the jetbridge. Cargo door does not trigger an in time.
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02-09-2020 | 06:47 PM
#126
Line Holder
Joined: May 2014
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From: Drivin’ the bus
I’ve been looking at this for some time and I truly think there is variation within the fleet. Whether it’s a 321 thing that’s different, or the newer vs older ACARS system or something else I don’t know. I haven’t been able to see a pattern. However, I am pretty sure I have had instances where cargo door triggered “in” and others it has not.
02-09-2020 | 08:28 PM
#127
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From: Road construction signholder
I'll bet you are just seeing the cargo doors opened the same time as the parking brake being set. The parking brake being set is the in time trigger on the bus, but the ACARS doesn't display that time until the forward cabin door is open. I can't imagine a case where a cargo door is open prior to the parking brake being set.
02-10-2020 | 03:58 AM
#128
Line Holder
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Attitudes like this are part of the problem. Greenslips allow the company to operate with fewer reserves and fewer pilots, they affect how the schedules are built and how the company views preparedness. So yes, they do affect me.
I don't necessarily judge people for flying greenslips, but I do judge people who fly them and then try to pretend they don't have the impact that they do. Fly them if you want, as they are part of the contract, but don't get on some soap box and pretend that they don't actually impact the operation and how the company handles staffing.
I don't necessarily judge people for flying greenslips, but I do judge people who fly them and then try to pretend they don't have the impact that they do. Fly them if you want, as they are part of the contract, but don't get on some soap box and pretend that they don't actually impact the operation and how the company handles staffing.
02-10-2020 | 04:14 AM
#129
Rodeo clown
Joined: Feb 2017
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From: Tractor seat
Swap with the pot I’d buy, but not as much swap with other pilots. Most (all) of the pilot swaps I’ve done were schedule improvements to get rid of a trip when reserve coverage is too low to PD and you don’t quite want to burn an IVD or APD. It’s possible that there are some pilots that would dump their schedules via swap board onto other pilots, some of whom are now exceeding ALV+15, but I don’t backfill my schedule from open time if I swap away something. How much would closing that “loophole” really force the company to staff better vice just eliminate another avenue for pilots to exercise schedule flexibility by working with each other?
02-10-2020 | 04:21 AM
#130
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From: Fastest Hunk of Junk in the Galaxy
Swap with the pot I’d buy, but not as much swap with other pilots. Most (all) of the pilot swaps I’ve done were schedule improvements to get rid of a trip when reserve coverage is too low to PD and you don’t quite want to burn an IVD or APD. It’s possible that there are some pilots that would dump their schedules via swap board onto other pilots, some of whom are now exceeding ALV+15, but I don’t backfill my schedule from open time if I swap away something. How much would closing that “loophole” really force the company to staff better vice just eliminate another avenue for pilots to exercise schedule flexibility by working with each other?
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