Delta To Furlough?
05-04-2020 | 09:14 AM
#1671
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
A few questions to those who were furloughed in the past (I realize the environment has changed but curious what the mindset and thinking should be). Seeing how everyone in the industry is feeling the same pain, just planning for Plan B and Plan C.
1. Was finding another flying job a challenge? Did anyone consider going back to flying RJs or freight?
2. Is it more beneficial to look at jobs, apply before furlough, and potentially take a voluntary to be on the front side of the wave to get another flying job?
3. Theoretical Question...Does or will ALPA work on agreements with our RJ partners to hire pilots from DL?
4. if you didn’t go back to a flying job during furlough, what did you do?
5. If you take a voluntary furlough, can you comeback when your seniority # is called or do you wait until all the involuntary furloughs are back?
TIA
1. Was finding another flying job a challenge? Did anyone consider going back to flying RJs or freight?
2. Is it more beneficial to look at jobs, apply before furlough, and potentially take a voluntary to be on the front side of the wave to get another flying job?
3. Theoretical Question...Does or will ALPA work on agreements with our RJ partners to hire pilots from DL?
4. if you didn’t go back to a flying job during furlough, what did you do?
5. If you take a voluntary furlough, can you comeback when your seniority # is called or do you wait until all the involuntary furloughs are back?
TIA
2. Really hard call to make. We don't yet know what Delta's plans are. Delta's FO rates are higher than Captain rates at the cargo carriers that are hiring off the street at the moment. The regional carriers are in the same boat with us and shedding pilots. It is hard to see a scenario where the best call isn't to stay with Delta as long as possible.
3. Not really. Northwest had a sort of bilateral flow negotiated as the E175's at NEWCO/Compass replaced their DC9's. ASA threw out the red carpet just to differentiate ourselves from Comair and because we were mostly Delta wanna be's anyway. ALPA (the Delta MEC to be specific) has always perceived the RJ jobs as worthless as best and a hostile threat at worse. You are correct that the Delta MEC could bargain to place it's members at Delta's wholly-owned subsidiaries. When wisened hands tell you this is impossible, send them to the Endeavor SSP/Bridge Agreement where Endeavor's MEC negotiated Delta jobs with Delta management and cut us completely out of the loop, violated our PWA Section 1D.10. and 1 D.11. At that point they will either ask you to be Scope Chairman or tell you to go talk to their attorney, depending on how they like the cut of your jib at that particular moment. If the Scope Chairman just quit (they quit on a regular basis because math) congratulations, Chairman!
4. House flipping, aviation claims management and air safety investigations, a few aircraft appraisals for banks
5. You can accept recall when your seniority will hold recall and the company has openings (don't think you could displace someone, but could be mistaken)
05-04-2020 | 09:29 AM
#1672
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A few questions to those who were furloughed in the past (I realize the environment has changed but curious what the mindset and thinking should be). Seeing how everyone in the industry is feeling the same pain, just planning for Plan B and Plan C.
1. Was finding another flying job a challenge? Did anyone consider going back to flying RJs or freight?
2. Is it more beneficial to look at jobs, apply before furlough, and potentially take a voluntary to be on the front side of the wave to get another flying job?
3. Theoretical Question...Does or will ALPA work on agreements with our RJ partners to hire pilots from DL?
4. if you didn’t go back to a flying job during furlough, what did you do?
5. If you take a voluntary furlough, can you comeback when your seniority # is called or do you wait until all the involuntary furloughs are back?
TIA
1. Was finding another flying job a challenge? Did anyone consider going back to flying RJs or freight?
2. Is it more beneficial to look at jobs, apply before furlough, and potentially take a voluntary to be on the front side of the wave to get another flying job?
3. Theoretical Question...Does or will ALPA work on agreements with our RJ partners to hire pilots from DL?
4. if you didn’t go back to a flying job during furlough, what did you do?
5. If you take a voluntary furlough, can you comeback when your seniority # is called or do you wait until all the involuntary furloughs are back?
TIA
Those who left early had first crack at jobs with other employers. Some ended up in similar positions at previous competitors, others went to different industries. The ones who turned out the lights had longer to look for employment, but many of the good jobs were taken already. There are lots of qualified pilots looking for work, there will be even more in a few months. If you can take a LOA now and secure employment in advance of an expected furlough, you will beat the rush.
If you leave voluntarily via LOA, you could return with the necessary notice provided your seniority still holds a job at Delta. I'm not sure if there is a requirement in the current LOA offer to have new hire classes for you to return. If you are out on a LOA and furloughs go above your seniority, you are now furloughed. At that point, it doesn't matter that you left voluntarily, you are now furloughed and will get recalled in seniority order. If you want to stay at your current job, you have the option to bypass the recall. The fact that you left voluntarily before mandatory recall does not change your recall order.
Corporate and charter jobs may be a place to start looking. Rich people with meetings and vacations have even more incentive to avoid the unwashed masses now.
05-04-2020 | 11:04 AM
#1673
Really got furloughed
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From: Gramercy Riffs
I was a 9/11 furloughee. The mil guys went back to active duty, reserves or guard. The civilian guy (me) sent out resumes all over and until I got a job flying in Saudi Arabia for ARAMCO I was driving a tow truck, working in a hardware store and managing a movie theater. Simultaneously.
Other civilian furloughees I knew sold real estate, did construction jobs, worked as repo guys and generally did whatever they could to keep the lights on and eat until recall. A couple of guys offed themselves. No US flying jobs available unless you were in the very first wave of furloughs, and even then employers at even the lowest-rent operations would have nothing to do with you because they knew you would leave as soon as you were recalled.
Best advice I can give - if you’re going to be furloughed make sure you’re either independently wealthy or single with no debt. If you’re married, and/or with kids make sure to have a wealthy spouse. Be prepared to take any job, anywhere. Any amount of preplanning you can do now will help, like debt reduction, sending out resumes, and downsizing. You can always buy more useless crap later.
Furlough sucks. It was the most stressful 4 1/2 years of my life, but I learned a lot about myself and my capabilities. I hope it doesn’t happen to anyone here, but if it does you’ll emerge a stronger person with a better perspective on what’s hard and easy, and when dudes bellyache about not upgrading in two years or having to be based in NYC for longer than 15 minutes you’ll laugh at them. Like I do.
Other civilian furloughees I knew sold real estate, did construction jobs, worked as repo guys and generally did whatever they could to keep the lights on and eat until recall. A couple of guys offed themselves. No US flying jobs available unless you were in the very first wave of furloughs, and even then employers at even the lowest-rent operations would have nothing to do with you because they knew you would leave as soon as you were recalled.
Best advice I can give - if you’re going to be furloughed make sure you’re either independently wealthy or single with no debt. If you’re married, and/or with kids make sure to have a wealthy spouse. Be prepared to take any job, anywhere. Any amount of preplanning you can do now will help, like debt reduction, sending out resumes, and downsizing. You can always buy more useless crap later.
Furlough sucks. It was the most stressful 4 1/2 years of my life, but I learned a lot about myself and my capabilities. I hope it doesn’t happen to anyone here, but if it does you’ll emerge a stronger person with a better perspective on what’s hard and easy, and when dudes bellyache about not upgrading in two years or having to be based in NYC for longer than 15 minutes you’ll laugh at them. Like I do.
05-04-2020 | 11:23 AM
#1674
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From: In favor of good things, not in favor of bad things
I was a 9/11 furloughee. The mil guys went back to active duty, reserves or guard. The civilian guy (me) sent out resumes all over and until I got a job flying in Saudi Arabia for ARAMCO I was driving a tow truck, working in a hardware store and managing a movie theater. Simultaneously.
Other civilian furloughees I knew sold real estate, did construction jobs, worked as repo guys and generally did whatever they could to keep the lights on and eat until recall. A couple of guys offed themselves. No US flying jobs available unless you were in the very first wave of furloughs, and even then employers at even the lowest-rent operations would have nothing to do with you because they knew you would leave as soon as you were recalled.
Best advice I can give - if you’re going to be furloughed make sure you’re either independently wealthy or single with no debt. If you’re married, and/or with kids make sure to have a wealthy spouse. Be prepared to take any job, anywhere. Any amount of preplanning you can do now will help, like debt reduction, sending out resumes, and downsizing. You can always buy more useless crap later.
Furlough sucks. It was the most stressful 4 1/2 years of my life, but I learned a lot about myself and my capabilities. I hope it doesn’t happen to anyone here, but if it does you’ll emerge a stronger person with a better perspective on what’s hard and easy, and when dudes bellyache about not upgrading in two years or having to be based in NYC for longer than 15 minutes you’ll laugh at them. Like I do.
Other civilian furloughees I knew sold real estate, did construction jobs, worked as repo guys and generally did whatever they could to keep the lights on and eat until recall. A couple of guys offed themselves. No US flying jobs available unless you were in the very first wave of furloughs, and even then employers at even the lowest-rent operations would have nothing to do with you because they knew you would leave as soon as you were recalled.
Best advice I can give - if you’re going to be furloughed make sure you’re either independently wealthy or single with no debt. If you’re married, and/or with kids make sure to have a wealthy spouse. Be prepared to take any job, anywhere. Any amount of preplanning you can do now will help, like debt reduction, sending out resumes, and downsizing. You can always buy more useless crap later.
Furlough sucks. It was the most stressful 4 1/2 years of my life, but I learned a lot about myself and my capabilities. I hope it doesn’t happen to anyone here, but if it does you’ll emerge a stronger person with a better perspective on what’s hard and easy, and when dudes bellyache about not upgrading in two years or having to be based in NYC for longer than 15 minutes you’ll laugh at them. Like I do.
05-04-2020 | 11:25 AM
#1675
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I was a 9/11 furloughee. The mil guys went back to active duty, reserves or guard. The civilian guy (me) sent out resumes all over and until I got a job flying in Saudi Arabia for ARAMCO I was driving a tow truck, working in a hardware store and managing a movie theater. Simultaneously.
Other civilian furloughees I knew sold real estate, did construction jobs, worked as repo guys and generally did whatever they could to keep the lights on and eat until recall. A couple of guys offed themselves. No US flying jobs available unless you were in the very first wave of furloughs, and even then employers at even the lowest-rent operations would have nothing to do with you because they knew you would leave as soon as you were recalled.
Best advice I can give - if you’re going to be furloughed make sure you’re either independently wealthy or single with no debt. If you’re married, and/or with kids make sure to have a wealthy spouse. Be prepared to take any job, anywhere. Any amount of preplanning you can do now will help, like debt reduction, sending out resumes, and downsizing. You can always buy more useless crap later.
Furlough sucks. It was the most stressful 4 1/2 years of my life, but I learned a lot about myself and my capabilities. I hope it doesn’t happen to anyone here, but if it does you’ll emerge a stronger person with a better perspective on what’s hard and easy, and when dudes bellyache about not upgrading in two years or having to be based in NYC for longer than 15 minutes you’ll laugh at them. Like I do.
Other civilian furloughees I knew sold real estate, did construction jobs, worked as repo guys and generally did whatever they could to keep the lights on and eat until recall. A couple of guys offed themselves. No US flying jobs available unless you were in the very first wave of furloughs, and even then employers at even the lowest-rent operations would have nothing to do with you because they knew you would leave as soon as you were recalled.
Best advice I can give - if you’re going to be furloughed make sure you’re either independently wealthy or single with no debt. If you’re married, and/or with kids make sure to have a wealthy spouse. Be prepared to take any job, anywhere. Any amount of preplanning you can do now will help, like debt reduction, sending out resumes, and downsizing. You can always buy more useless crap later.
Furlough sucks. It was the most stressful 4 1/2 years of my life, but I learned a lot about myself and my capabilities. I hope it doesn’t happen to anyone here, but if it does you’ll emerge a stronger person with a better perspective on what’s hard and easy, and when dudes bellyache about not upgrading in two years or having to be based in NYC for longer than 15 minutes you’ll laugh at them. Like I do.
05-04-2020 | 12:46 PM
#1677
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Amen to that .. just simple things like hugging people ,shaking hands or not having to wear this stupid mask .The little things taken for granted . Things to be appreciated when we get back to some normalcy . The Bigger thing obviously being able to take care of family financially.
05-04-2020 | 04:35 PM
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From: Widebelly FO
Interesting email from MEC chairman
United Displacements
I have heard from many of you about the United Airlines May 2 bid that included nearly 4,500 pilot displacements – the largest in the airline's history. Several widebody categories are closing and being consolidated into core hubs. I want to offer some perspective on this development as I know it hits close to home.
United entered the COVID crisis with greater international/widebody exposure than Delta. United also had weaker liquidity than Delta and has not been able to acquire additional liquidity with the same ease as Delta. Further compounding United's situation is its retirements. Between now and 2024, United will retire 1,553 pilots while over the same time, 3,394 pilots will retire from Delta.
United Displacements
I have heard from many of you about the United Airlines May 2 bid that included nearly 4,500 pilot displacements – the largest in the airline's history. Several widebody categories are closing and being consolidated into core hubs. I want to offer some perspective on this development as I know it hits close to home.
United entered the COVID crisis with greater international/widebody exposure than Delta. United also had weaker liquidity than Delta and has not been able to acquire additional liquidity with the same ease as Delta. Further compounding United's situation is its retirements. Between now and 2024, United will retire 1,553 pilots while over the same time, 3,394 pilots will retire from Delta.
05-04-2020 | 05:39 PM
#1679
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05-04-2020 | 05:50 PM
#1680
veut gagner à la loterie
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From: Light Chop
Amen to that .. just simple things like hugging people ,shaking hands or not having to wear this stupid mask .The little things taken for granted . Things to be appreciated when we get back to some normalcy . The Bigger thing obviously being able to take care of family financially.
camps and VBS and saying they’ll use virtual online stuff.
yeah right. No kid wants to go to camp on line. Minecraft sure. But they want to be with kids, they’re getting tired of screens that their parents were just yelling about them being on too much.
its not natural.
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